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  • Delodephius
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 736

    #61
    Table from Pylos:


    अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
    उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
    This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
    But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13670

      #62
      Are they the same letters that the Greek translation uses?
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Delodephius
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 736

        #63
        Except šč. That I added because that is the form (or similar like št, šć, š, č, etc.) the uvular q took in satem languages, so it's only for comparison reasons to appear as if it was in Slavic languages. In Mycenaean Greek it was most likely q or a sound similar to it.
        अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
        उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
        This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
        But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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        • makedonin
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1668

          #64
          Small question, is it possible that the word mavijo refers to a pot ?

          If so, Mev in Macedonian is a leather bag for transporting Wine and since Pot is also a storage dish there can be a relation.
          To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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          • Delodephius
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 736

            #65
            No, mevijo means medium. Pot is dipa.

            Let me translate that part for you:

            dipa, mezoe, qetor-ove
            pot, large, four-eared

            dipae, mezoe, tiri-ovee
            pots, large, three-eared

            dipa, mevijo, qetor-ove
            pot, medium, four-eared

            dipa, mevijo, tirij-ove
            pot, medium, three-eared

            dipa, mevijo, an-ove
            pot, medium, no-eared
            अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
            उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
            This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
            But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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            • makedonin
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1668

              #66
              Originally posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas View Post
              No, mevijo means medium. Pot is dipa.
              Thanx Slovak.

              Ove certainly sounds like the Uvo both meaning ear.

              The numbers also reasamble the numbers we use.

              As for dipa, the closest possible related is the word Dolap which means something as wardrobe built in the wall.(In Serb similar to Ормар )

              Certainly not the same, but in a way possibly related since both are some of containers.

              who knows.........
              To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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              • Delodephius
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 736

                #67
                Actually dipa sounds like the Slovak nadoba which also means pot.
                अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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                • makedonin
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1668

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas View Post
                  Actually dipa sounds like the Slovak nadoba which also means pot.
                  Well that is even closer than Dolap but still all tree can be related to each other.........
                  To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                  • Pelister
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2742

                    #69
                    This is interesting Slovak. What's the provenance of that inscription?

                    Also, I'm no linguist, but dipa might be an archaic form of the word dupka, which means 'hole'.

                    The reference to a cooking pot or pot of some sort is also functional, because holes are dug to make fire places, to make furnaces for cooking, smelting ...etc. Think of the "hole" of a traditional Roman fire place, which are usually underground, or in a basement ...etc. and how the use of a pot might relate to that. Its just an observation.

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                    • Soldier of Macedon
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 13670

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas View Post
                      No, mevijo means medium. Pot is dipa.

                      Let me translate that part for you:

                      dipa, mezoe, qetor-ove
                      pot, large, four-eared

                      dipae, mezoe, tiri-ovee
                      pots, large, three-eared

                      dipa, mevijo, qetor-ove
                      pot, medium, four-eared

                      dipa, mevijo, tirij-ove
                      pot, medium, three-eared

                      dipa, mevijo, an-ove
                      pot, medium, no-eared
                      Is there anything more elaborative? Surely this can't be all that the Greek 'theory' of origin relies upon?

                      dipa, mezoe, qetor-ove (Linear B)
                      nadopa, golemo, chetiri-uva (Slavic)
                      glastra, megali, tessaron autia (Greek)
                      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                      • Delodephius
                        Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 736

                        #71
                        अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                        उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                        This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                        But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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                        • Pelister
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2742

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                          Is there anything more elaborative? Surely this can't be all that the Greek 'theory' of origin relies upon?

                          dipa, mezoe, qetor-ove (Linear B)
                          nadopa, golemo, chetiri-uva (Slavic)
                          glastra, megali, tessaron autia (Greek)
                          Just let me comment on this in case its lost on me. The suggestion here is that Linear B has a closer connection to Slavic, than to Modern Greek ?

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                          • Soldier of Macedon
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 13670

                            #73
                            I am not sure which one is closer, but the Greek case doesn't seem to be 100% solid. I am suprised at the evident similarities with Slavic.
                            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                            • Delodephius
                              Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 736

                              #74
                              YouTube - Bůh žehnej Moravě - God Bless Moravia
                              A song in Old Church Slavonic of the Great Moravian version

                              Text:

                              Цѣсарьствѣ нашємъ господі, мілостьѭ твоєѭ прізьрі: і нє отъдазь нашєго тѹзімъ, і нє обраті насъ въ плѣнъ народомъ поганскъимъ: Хріста раді господі нашєго, іжє цѣсарітъ съ отьцємь і съ Свѩтъимь Дѹхомь.

                              PS: Imagine you're back a 1000 years!
                              Last edited by Delodephius; 03-18-2009, 04:19 AM.
                              अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                              उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                              This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                              But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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                              • Coolski
                                Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 747

                                #75
                                I love the chords used in songs sung in old slavonic.
                                - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
                                - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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