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  • Momce Makedonce
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    • Jul 2012
    • 562

    Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
    I don't think we can judge too harshly as many Macedonians in Australia used that flag up until the late 1980s. I do agree though that footage from Preston games during the same period shows a total absence of that flag.
    You are right, it was a different time. I do find it interesting that there was an absence of this flag at Preston.
    "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task." Goce Delcev

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    • Liberator of Makedonija
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 1597

      Originally posted by Momce Makedonce View Post
      You are right, it was a different time. I do find it interesting that there was an absence of this flag at Preston.
      Preston was very independent, it had thwarted attempts by the Yugoslav consulate to interfere in the club.
      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13675

        Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
        Just stories from the past I suppose. Apparently Altona would refer to Preston as "Greeks" because Preston was formed by Macedonians escaping Greek oppression; Altona tried to present themselves as the "true" Macedonian club as its founders were from the Socialist Republic.
        Just some context here. Preston was mostly supported by the older Macedonian community in the northern suburbs of Melbourne, most of whom were from Lerin and Bitola. Altona was mostly supported by later Macedonian arrivals who settled in the western suburbs, most of whom were from Bitola and elsewhere in the republic. However, this wasn’t strictly the case and who one supported would often depend on where they lived. There were undoubtedly an irrelevant number among Altona supporters who made such disparaging remarks, but it is also true that a few equally stupid Preston supporters referred to Altona as “srbomani” because of the Yugoslav connotation and the fact that some of their players had come over from Footscray Just. But these stories should not be embellished because it is not like there was a fierce rivalry, hateful arena-wide chants or brawls between supporters. I grew up as a Preston supporter and went to some of their games with Altona years ago. The atmosphere was always (and naturally) cordial given that it was an all-Macedonian affair where basically everybody spoke Macedonian.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Liberator of Makedonija
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 1597

          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
          Just some context here. Preston was mostly supported by the older Macedonian community in the northern suburbs of Melbourne, most of whom were from Lerin and Bitola. Altona was mostly supported by later Macedonian arrivals who settled in the western suburbs, most of whom were from Bitola and elsewhere in the republic. However, this wasn’t strictly the case and who one supported would often depend on where they lived. There were undoubtedly an irrelevant number among Altona supporters who made such disparaging remarks, but it is also true that a few equally stupid Preston supporters referred to Altona as “srbomani” because of the Yugoslav connotation and the fact that some of their players had come over from Footscray Just. But these stories should not be embellished because it is not like there was a fierce rivalry, hateful arena-wide chants or brawls between supporters. I grew up as a Preston supporter and went to some of their games with Altona years ago. The atmosphere was always (and naturally) cordial given that it was an all-Macedonian affair where basically everybody spoke Macedonian.
          Thank you for contributing further to this SoM. It appears the only case where there was a real tangible "patrioti" vs. "yugosloveni / srbomani" dimension was in the 1980s between Yagoona Macedonia (now Bankstown City Lions) and Rockdale Ilinden. Supposedly, to a lesser degree, this dimension also existed between Wollongong Macedonia (now Wollongong United) and Cringila United (now Cringila Lions).
          I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13675

            Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
            Thank you for contributing further to this SoM. It appears the only case where there was a real tangible "patrioti" vs. "yugosloveni / srbomani" dimension was in the 1980s between Yagoona Macedonia (now Bankstown City Lions) and Rockdale Ilinden. Supposedly, to a lesser degree, this dimension also existed between Wollongong Macedonia (now Wollongong United) and Cringila United (now Cringila Lions).
            I have not really followed the teams in NSW. How intense did it get between them? It should be pointed out that similar cases exist among other ethnic groups. A classic example is the rivalry between Olympiakos and PAOK. Olympiakos is based in a city that was destroyed by the Romans and Goths, used as a port by the Venetians, stayed largely deserted during the Ottoman period, and, following the establishment of modern Greece, was finally repopulated by people who had no historical ties to the area. Against the backdrop of this fabricated indigenous pedigree, Olympiakos supporters use the term "Bulgar" as a slur for their opponents from PAOK, who are based in Solun. Yet, the Bulgars had a negligible historical presence in Solun and PAOK, as a team, was established following the population exchange between Turkey and Greece, by people who had no roots in Macedonia. I would opine that the barometer of idiocy in this case is off the charts when compared with the petty squabbles between Macedonian teams in Australia.

            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • Liberator of Makedonija
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 1597

              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
              I have not really followed the teams in NSW. How intense did it get between them?
              Apparetly in the 1980s at a game between Yagoona/Bankstown and Rockdale, the Rockdale fans had portraits of Tito and the atmosphere got quite hostile.
              I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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              • Solun
                Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 166

                sportmedia.mk now reports Arda Okan Kurtalan will represent Albania

                The kid's grandfather emigrated to Turkey from Western Macedonia
                The kid wanted to represent Macedonia and for the last two years has attended national Youth team training camps
                But FFM were unable to get authorities to issue him with a Passport
                Not much else needs to be said

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                • Liberator of Makedonija
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 1597

                  Violent scenes in the Macedonian Cup between Shkupi and Shkendija: Shkupi fans pelted the pitch with what appears to be flashbang grenades or something similar.

                  Мечот од Купот на Македонија меѓу Шкупи и Шкендија е дефинитивно прекинат и нема да продолжи. Вистинска „војна“ се случи денеска на стадионот Чаир откако
                  I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                  • Carlin
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 3332




                    Interview on Belgian live TV:

                    Belgian interviewer to a Moroccan in Brussels: “how’s the atmosphere right now?”

                    “Belgian” Moroccan, looks like he’s 17: “pretty dangerous for journalists like you right now *laughs*.”


                    (The riots by Moroccan fans have spread from Brussels to Amsterdam tonight)

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                    • kompir
                      Member
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 537

                      I'm enjoying taking the piss out of the Italians at the markets right now... "how's Italy going in the World C... oh"
                      Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш

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                      • Liberator of Makedonija
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 1597

                        There were great scenes in Skopje for the 75th anniversary celebrations of Vardar.
                        I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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