Greek Nationalism Out of Control

[George S.]

Amazing how lies and propaganda ioerates they are taght at school what to believe,

[Momce Makedonce]

Most Greeks I see today are on a witch hunt with each other, trying to say "You're not Greek",

Can you elaborate on this? I have heard it before in regards to Greeks from the South and 'Greeks' from the North.

[George S.]

Think about how nationalism has played a part and the govt using that to raise peoples spirits.

[Risto the Great]

I think Greeks will destroy themselves before their nationalism reaches its peak.

Their nationalism has peaked for about 60 years in my opinion. It hasn't hurt them in my opinion. They are deluded, but it takes quite a bit of self-delusion to think you're better than any other race.

[Amphipolis]

Their nationalism has peaked for about 60 years in my opinion. It hasn't hurt them in my opinion. They are deluded, but it takes quite a bit of self-delusion to think you're better than any other race.

Not very close. Nationalism peaked in 1890s and after the 1897 humiliating defeat, it peaked up again around 1910s-1922. There was also (I guess) a nationalistic enthusiasm during dictatorships (1936-1941, 1967-1974) and wars.

The Civil War and post-Civil War period also has a stronger nationalistic and anti-communist mood.

[vicsinad]

Not very close. Nationalism peaked in 1890s and after the 1897 humiliating defeat, it peaked up again around 1910s-1922. There was also (I guess) a nationalistic enthusiasm during dictatorships (1936-1941, 1967-1974) and wars.

The Civil War and post-Civil War period also has a stronger nationalistic and anti-communist mood.

Did you forget about the 1990s, when Greece placed an embargo and a blockade on Macedonia because of its name, and then the EC was contemplating kicking Greece out of the EC for its fanaticism caused by its nationalism?

[George S.]

How about not to mention changing the name to fyrom and vetoing macedonia umpteen times either un or eu or nato.What kind of neighbour does that.Simply walking in.and taking its lands and co mmiting genocide on the macedonian people.

[Amphipolis]

Did you forget about the 1990s, when Greece placed an embargo and a blockade on Macedonia because of its name, and then the EC was contemplating kicking Greece out of the EC for its fanaticism caused by its nationalism?

I can't remember the second part. Actually, I remember European Union deciding that the embargo was not against its' rules.

[vicsinad]

I can't remember the second part. Actually, I remember European Union deciding that the embargo was not against its' rules.

You must have a short memory.Let me refresh it by quoting you something a Greek author wrote about the matter (pay close attention to the bold words, which include Greek hysteria and removal of Greece from the EU):

When the United States followed suit in
February 1994, Greece replied by severing diplomatic ties with Skopje and imposing a blockade on FYROM goods
moving to and from the port of Thessaloniki with the exception of humanitarian aid on February 16. An
unprecedented condemnation followed in the whole of Europe, as the international community reacted with
indignation to what was seen as Greek hysteria. Serious opinion-makers questioned openly the suitability of Athens
running the European Union affairs for the first semester of 1994 and even suggested the removal of Greece from the
Union altogether.In a flurry of tense diplomatic activity, the Greek government tried to explain its position amidst
growing allegations that the countermeasures constituted flagrant breach of the country's obligations under
international law and under European Community law, as a Member of the E.U. The matter was discussed by the
Council at Ioannina, where the Greek government again came under attack for the measures, but no final decision was
reached.

Floudas, Demetrius A., Pardon? A Conflict for a Name?: Fyrom’s Dispute with Greece Revisited, 7.

Read up. Refresh yourself. You'll learn something about the hysteria, fanaticism, and nationalism of the Greeks in the 1990s and Europe's perception of Greece. I can provide you with all the necessary quotes of European politicians' views of Greece at the time. Greece was nuts throughout the entire 20th century; it still is.

[George S.]

Your greek govt can do no wrong is it was extremely unpopular with its embargo.It did untold damage economically.That was illegal thing to do,Macedonia coulod have sued your govt.The eu was adamant that Greece should not have pulled the embargo on Macedonia.

[vicsinad]

Nice short little clip from 1994. I like how the Greek academic states that "Greece needs collective psychotherapy."

Nationalism Threatens Democracy in Greece -- 1994

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kil96-Z77ww

[vicsinad]

Fast forward 20 years and you have these Nazis on the rise. And I don't buy the argument that it's poverty that's the root leading to Nazism. Look at the economic poverty in Macedonia...why isn't Nazism on the rise there?

60 Minutes Greek Tragedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_s7U7tco38

[Gocka]

Great videos Vic.

Its sad that such reasonable and honest Greeks seem to have become extinct.

Does anyone know how Golden Dawn has been doing as a party since half it's MP's went to jail? Sometimes making people martyrs only intensifies support for them.

[DraganOfStip]

And I don't buy the argument that it's poverty that's the root leading to Nazism. Look at the economic poverty in Macedonia...why isn't Nazism on the rise there?

Maybe it's because we don't have any Jews to blame for it (or economic immigrants that are trying to snatch our jobs) .

[King Niko]

Can you elaborate on this? I have heard it before in regards to Greeks from the South and 'Greeks' from the North.

Well from what I notice, I can not prove this with any links so regard this more "personal opinion" not a "fact", but from my view upon Greeks, unlike neighboring nations, like Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria is that most Greeks use politics as their "ethnic" group per say.

Not literally but through this, I notice something that, Golden Dawn fight with Anarchist through the use of saying you are not Greek,

and many Greeks from the south tend to look at the north and try and proclaim they are different then Athens Greeks, and that Epirus Greeks are different then Thracian Greeks, and they all have a bit of a stir of their own identity.

That is why the Greek state is just falling apart, its propaganda through the youth is not going to work anymore, or as well might I say.

The Greek identity is becoming blurred, just as it had been prior too 1821.