[Video] Why Do Greece & Macedonia Hate Each Other?

[EgejskaMakedonia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o19RnTPDUn4

Have a look at this video. It's nothing new, but it more or less fills in the blanks for those unfamiliar with the Macedonian-Greek dispute. It's a fairly recent clip as well, therefore it's worth discussing.
It may not seem like much, but I think even small videos such as this are fairly important in the sense of the 'information war' between Macedonia and Greece.
The group 'TestTube News' doesn't seem to have any affiliation with either country, therefore what sources they use and the information they present to their predominantly Western fan-base is key. The channel has over 521K subscribers, so their reach isn't trivial.

The thing that stood out for me was the line, ''Greece also has a history of repressing Macedonian culture- or denying that it exists- in order to better unify their own nation.'' The following 2 lines give examples of such.

Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem particularly common for Western sources to acknowledge the treatment of Aegean Macedonians at the hands of the Greek authorities. The comments regarding the suppression of the Macedonian language is implicit in itself that there are and have been fundamental breaches of human rights in Aegean Macedonia. I think that's a massive point that is still somewhat ignored by the world.

Obviously I don't entirely agree with everything that is said. For example, I don't expect the author to understand the negative implications of the ICJ case on Macedonia given that, generally, a ruling in favour of that party would be seen as a favourable outcome.

Although it's only a youtube clip, I believe that the fate of Macedonians under Greek occupation is a crucial piece of information that needs to be weaved into the Western view of the two countries. People are more concerned now with human rights than ever (or purport to be), providing the perfect platform for such dissemination of information. Honestly, it has to be one of our most powerful tools to bust the Greek-Macedonian myth.

[Momce Makedonce]

Yeah I saw this too, was good to see them touch on the way Macedonian culture is ignored and suppressed in Greece. I thought it was a decent attempt at explaining the issue in a few short minutes.

[George S.]

I just heard on the news that Greece will be out of the erozone.No more interference from them as they will lose their veto power.Macedonia doesn't need to change her name.

[Amphipolis]

I just heard on the news that Greece will be out of the erozone.No more interference from them as they will lose their veto power.Macedonia doesn't need to change her name.

??? Gee, I'm in Greece, how did I miss this story?

[Stojacanec]

The Eurozone doesn't mean out of the European Union. The only official news I heard was greece has missed the payment.

No sympathy from me here. Macedonia has a stable debt to gdp ratio. But pensions are low and unemployment is high (typically).

Get used to it greece!

[Phoenix]

The Eurozone doesn't mean out of the European Union. The only official news I heard was greece has missed the payment.

No sympathy from me here. Macedonia has a stable debt to gdp ratio. But pensions are low and unemployment is high (typically).

Get used to it greece!

I'd love to see greece go down the toilet, the country and its people need cleansing, not just financially but morally as well.
Sadly, the ensuing shit storm will leave its mark on the entire Balkan neighborhood and those of us away from the immediate maelstrom, at least in the near term.

What a farkin basket case though, from the recent hosting of the Olympic Games to being relegated to the group of dysfunctional and failed states like Somalia, Sudan and Liberia...

[Dejan]

Don't forget though, a lot of our people are on that side of the border as well.

My opinion is that if they do default, after initial pain and hardship, the country may bounce back quicker than anticipated. If they drop the euro, tourists will be able to visit on the cheap, which would create work for locals and bring much needed income into the country. If the other states who are struggling with the euro (Italy, Spain etc.) get wind of this, they too may favour default and go along the same route. Domino effect. It's a bit of a simplistic view, but it could happen.

[makedonche]

I'd love to see greece go down the toilet, the country and its people need cleansing, not just financially but morally as well.
Sadly, the ensuing shit storm will leave its mark on the entire Balkan neighborhood and those of us away from the immediate maelstrom, at least in the near term.

What a farkin basket case though, from the recent hosting of the Olympic Games to being relegated to the group of dysfunctional and failed states like Somalia, Sudan and Liberia...

Phoenix
I won't have you degrading Somalia,Sudan & Liberia, by comparing these morally bankrupt platesmashers to them! Do you understand!

[Phoenix]

Phoenix
I won't have you degrading Somalia,Sudan & Liberia, by comparing these morally bankrupt platesmashers to them! Do you understand!

Boom...boom...lol

No wonder so many Somali and Sudanese refugees are finding their way to greece...it reminds them of home...

[Phoenix]

Don't forget though, a lot of our people are on that side of the border as well.

My opinion is that if they do default, after initial pain and hardship, the country may bounce back quicker than anticipated. If they drop the euro, tourists will be able to visit on the cheap, which would create work for locals and bring much needed income into the country. If the other states who are struggling with the euro (Italy, Spain etc.) get wind of this, they too may favour default and go along the same route. Domino effect. It's a bit of a simplistic view, but it could happen.

The IMF won't allow them to walk away easily...an IMF default has implications on the Greek banking system and credit rating into the future...the ability to borrow money, which every country does...there's no easy cut off period...the greeks are in a world of pain that will last for generations.

[Risto the Great]

The Greeks will be fine within 5 years if they simply allow their default to run through its logical conclusion. They have been artificially inflated for ages now thanks to the Euro. They will be competitive and have a reason to aggressively increase GDP in their country.

I actually hope they do this and do well for themselves. Macedonians could have done this in RoM but are too busy jumping through stupid hoops to gain EU entry. If Greece prospers by leaving the EU and EURO, maybe Macedonia can take off its blinkers and realise how unique a European proposition it can be as a non aligned young and educated nation.

The Balkans will never be the Europe most people associate with "Europe".

[George S.]

Once they are out of the erozone they can do nothing to macedonia.Next step is they should be thrown out of nato and the un.I don't think its just hate its god's punishment for what they have done and are still doing it they did to the macedonian people was unforgivable.Yet they can't acknowledge or come to terms like other people's on this earth. doing to the macedonian people they are not sorry for what they did.Why shouldn't we genuinely hate them.??

[makedonche]

The IMF won't allow them to walk away easily...an IMF default has implications on the Greek banking system and credit rating into the future...the ability to borrow money, which every country does...there's no easy cut off period...the greeks are in a world of pain that will last for generations.

There's a pleasant thought....karmas a bitch!

[Nikolaj]

They should have listened to Justin Timberlake when he said "What Goes Around...Comes Back Around".

[George S.]

The greeks are trying to do the same thing that is trying to hoodwink the IMF.In that case they have completely screwed their own country they will be forced to flee as it all has horribly gone wrong.Think about it originally they were only mean't to get 30 billion dollars then someone helped them to get 300 billion dollars that's the whole Australian economy budget.Who knows what they did with that money.In effect they never intended to repay it in the first place.Not even the interest.They even told their creditors to half the loan debt,then other ridiculous demands even loan on loans.The greeks feel they are a priveledged people the world owes them a living.It doesn't work like that you have to live within your means.What happened to all that money??Some say that some was used in the pensions etc most they reckon the govt has hidden it and they want sympathy for it.
This is nothing short of criminal.No wonder parties like the golden dawn is waiting to come in.Greece is all fucked up if they ever come to some agreement to stave off the debt sooner or later it has to be repaid with interst owing the debt is rising.The debt will be around for generations to come as there is nothing to use to pay it back.The greeks will be forced to leave their country and become wanderers around the world.The greeks thought they could have their cake and eat it as well forgetting the conditions.
A lot of greeks have savings in banks that they have prospered overseas and bought back
that may be lost or confiscated by the govt.What I heard is that a lot of greeks are expected to go to rom as they seek better conditions than their country.