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  • slovenec zrinski
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 385

    Genetic Test

    I took the genetic test that NG provides via its Genographic Project but was a bit disappointed of the meager result. "You came out of Africa and then to the Balkans".... Can someone suggest a better genetest?
    In the geneographic project u are offered further analysis of more markers by the company Family Tree. Is that a good option?

    The results goes back about 75 000 years and doesn΄t answer many questions. The most recent markers are the M170 and the M223 (10 000 years ago) on my paternal line. Is there a test out there that goes closer in time? Or that can show subclads of the m223 marker?

    I have seen threads about genetics on here in the past and that is why I post this question here
  • Vangelovski
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 8533

    #2
    Slovenec, how much did it cost you? Send me the money next time and I'll give you a more accurate analysis.
    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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    • slovenec zrinski
      Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 385

      #3
      Lol...I can imagine what your result for me would have been

      Teutonic with a sprinkle of magyar and the "slavic gene"?

      I probably didnt read the small print on the genographics homepage before I ordered the test. I think it cost 200 dollars or something in that order...

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      • slovenec zrinski
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 385

        #4
        And btw M223 is spread from the balkans to western Europe to Sweden so it doesnt really say much about anything....

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        • Phoenix
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 4671

          #5
          Originally posted by slovenec zrinski View Post
          And btw M223 is spread from the balkans to western Europe to Sweden so it doesnt really say much about anything....
          It says far more than you first thought...
          Have you heard the saying about-
          a) The Fool
          b) Money
          c)...and how easily they are parted

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          • Vangelovski
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 8533

            #6
            I'm not into conspiracy theories, but didn't you ever consider the privacy implications of having your DNA on a database somewhere....in addition to the $200?

            Maybe they just chucked the sample and kept the money.
            If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

            The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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            • Phoenix
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 4671

              #7
              Originally posted by slovenec zrinski View Post
              I took the genetic test that NG provides via its Genographic Project but was a bit disappointed of the meager result. "You came out of Africa and then to the Balkans"....
              ...lol

              I bet they concluded the "Balkans" part from your postal address.

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              • slovenec zrinski
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 385

                #8
                I am actually not that worried about having my dna in National Geographics database, or to tell ppl here about the m170 and m223 markers for that matter. I dont care.
                They provided me with the file of the hundreds of thousands of genes identified so I could perhaps take that file to someone else for analysis.

                And Phoenix...my postadress is not in the balkans so....no...they did not conclude that from any postaladress.


                Anyway..If anyone have a serious interest into the matter of genetics and which service is the best pls do tell.

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                • Daniel the Great
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1084

                  #9
                  slovenec zrinski. What paternal and maternal haplogroup have you received with your test results?

                  The most recent markers are the M170 and the M223 (10 000 years ago) on my paternal line
                  M170 and M223 are subclades of haplogroup I. Which is one of the oldest haplogroups in Europe.

                  Here is information on your particular subclade from Wiki:
                  I-M223
                  The age of YSTR variation for the I-M223 subclade is 13.2±2.7 kya[1] and 12.3±3.1 kya.[10] I-M223 has a peak in Germany and another in eastern Sweden, but also appears in Romania/Moldova, Russia, Greece, Italy and around the Black Sea due to movement of Alans/Sarmatians/Scythians. [19] Haplogroup I2a2a has been found in over 4% of the population only in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark,probably moving tribes of Dacians. England (excluding Cornwall), Scotland, possibly descendants of the Iazyges, Legio VI Victrix, ] 175 410 AD, also the southern tips of Sweden and Norway in Northwest Europe; the provinces of Normandy, Maine, Anjou, and Perche in northwestern France; the province of Provence in southeastern France; the regions of Tuscany, Umbria, and Latium in Italy; Moldavia and the area around Russia's Ryazan Oblast and Republic of Mordovia in Eastern Europe maybe Agathyrsi,Khazars. Of historical note, both haplogroups I-M253 and I-M223 appear at a low frequency in the historical regions of Bithynia and Galatia in Turkey, possibly descendants of the Thracians, Cataphract of Alexander the Great at 334 BC, and Varangians, who are historically recorded to have invaded those parts of Anatolia from the 9th to 11th centuries. They ventured southwards along the rivers of Eastern Europe, connecting Scandinavia with Constantinople and Byzantine Empire.[20] Haplogroup I2a2a also occurs among approximately 1% of the Sardinians - Vandals. The subclade divergence for M223 occurred 14.6±3.8 kya (Rootsi 2004).
                  Haplogroup I-M223 can be further subdivided in several subclades designated in the Y2012 ISOGG tree as follows: Haplogroup I-M223* with no further known polymorphisms, Haplogroup I-M284 defined by M284 polymorphism and including an undergroup Haplogroup I-L126 reserved for individuals derived for the L126/S165, L137/S166 polymorphisms, Haplogroup I-L701 associated with L701 polymorphism, and Haplogroup I-Z161 denoting individuals derived for the Z161 polymorphism.
                  I-Z161 is further subdivided into I-Z161* with no known polymorphisms, I-L801 defined by L801 polymorphism, and I-L623 designated by L623 polymorphism. I-L801 (L801) is further subdivided into I-L801* and I-P95, the latter being associated with the P95 polymorphism. Recently, several new SNPs have been identified including Z76, which is believed to be phyloequivalent with L801, and L812 Roots polymorphism. The recently added L801 Continental is estimated to be around 3000 years old. Other SNPs currently being investigated for placement in the tree include: Z78, Z79, Z190, and L1198, all of which are believed to be downstream of both Z161 and L801.

                  It look like you are quite Germanic . Not surprising considering you are Slovenian.

                  That is a crap test. I highly recommend you you take the 23andme test. It is currently $99 dollars and it gives you alot of information on your ancestry which includes, your ancestry composition, family finder, countries of origin, Paternal/Maternal haplogroups, health risks and many other things.

                  The most popular function on this test is the ancestry composition. Here is some information on it:https://www.23andme.com/ancestry_composition_guide/



                  Let me know if you have any questions.
                  Last edited by Daniel the Great; 04-17-2013, 06:15 AM.

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                  • slovenec zrinski
                    Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 385

                    #10
                    Thank u for the info Daniel Well, my family comes from the Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, not the Austrian one. So I would have expected some "hungarian" gene but not "german". I have read that m223 is at its highest in Croatia? My original interest in this stems from the fact that 5 generations back the paternal line is unknown. Well, apart from my female ancestor (she hopefully knew) But there were indeed talks about an Austrian policeman so that might account for the m223.

                    It says my paternal line is I-L702, does that tell u anything? My maternal line is H1y, but my mother is swedish etnically.

                    Thank u for the tip about the 23andme test..it seems like that one goes more into recent times.

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                    • slovenec zrinski
                      Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 385

                      #11
                      And btw..they (NG) conclude that my genetic mix on paternal line is most alike the one in the...British Isles

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                      • Big Bad Sven
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 1528

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                        ...lol

                        I bet they concluded the "Balkans" part from your postal address.
                        Please be careful phoenix, you just 'offended' the entire slovenian population by associating these elite yodeling gentleman with us ugly, backwards, barbaric and black southern balkan people.

                        They prefer to be seen as noble and elite central europeans.

                        I bet you he put "western europe' as his address on the envelope

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                        • slovenec zrinski
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 385

                          #13
                          There is something seriously wrong with your brain Big Bad Sven.

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                          • lavce pelagonski
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 1993

                            #14
                            Zrinski you crack me up
                            Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                            „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                            • Phoenix
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 4671

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Big Bad Sven View Post
                              Please be careful phoenix, you just 'offended' the entire slovenian population by associating these elite yodeling gentleman with us ugly, backwards, barbaric and black southern balkan people.

                              They prefer to be seen as noble and elite central europeans.

                              I bet you he put "western europe' as his address on the envelope
                              ...fark em all BBS, and their cow bells.

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