Some disturbing demographic statistics in Macedonia

[Daniel the Great]

We all know very well the influence the Albanians have in Macedonia. They make up a large percentage in the military, the minister of defence is an Albanian, etc etc. But the most shocking is the fact that they are growing in population at a very high rate for European standards, and at the same time Macedonians are slowly shrinking in size.

I would like to use this thread to show how bad things are getting demographically in the Republic of Macedonia.

Caska Municipality:




Macedonians: 4.395 57,3%
Albanias: 2.703 35,2%
Turks: 391 5,1%

Births/Deaths 2008-2009-2020-2011

Macedonians

36/70
37/67
37/66
26/63


Albanians

49/18
95/14
109/12
111/20


Turks

2/1
0/3
6/1
3/0


Bosnians

3/0
0/0
0/1
0/0

So as you see, Albanians have had more births then deaths within that time frame, where Macedonians have had more deaths then births.

This is just one case of many others. I will keep posting more statistics.

[Daniel the Great]

Dolneni Municipality:



Macedonians 4.871 35,9%
Albanians 3.616 26,7%
Turks 2.597 19,1%
Bosnians 2.380 17,5%

Births/Deaths 2008-2009-2010-2011

Macedonians

37/97
42/89
41/77
57/91


Albanians

106/20
85/23
88/17
95/12


Turks

32/10
38/11
37/18
38/23


Bosnians

12/2
10/11
13/12
30/15

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Please link to source.

[TrueMacedonian]

Macedonians need to put the X in SEX.

[VMRO]

There needs to be a distribution of Viagra/Cialis and horny goat weed in Eastern, central and Southern Macedonia.

[Niko777]

Macedonians lack family values. It's not that Albanians have more children, but that Albanians are more family oriented meaning more Albanians are getting married, starting families, they build a house, then go working abroad to support their families.

[DraganOfStip]

I'd hate to repeat myself but nowadays in the republic it's kinda hard to support a family consisted of just a husband and wife,let alone 3-4 more mouths to feed with a typical Macedonian salary of 150-200 euros.Expenses grow from month to month,basic food products,fuel,bills for electricity,water,tv...and the salary remains the same throughout the years.I wouldn't even dream of having another kid before I secure myself with a secure and well paid job (whenerver that may be).And the rest of us in the republic aren't very different either.

[Risto the Great]

What prompts the ethnic Albanians to have such a higher birth rate Dragan?

[Stojacanec]

Dragan, how do the Albanians support their families with 3-4 kids whereas the Macedonians under the same roof can't?

[Daniel the Great]

Please link to source.

Sorry, I should of posted it from the start.

Republic of Macedonia, state statistical office.

http://www.stat.gov.mk/PublikaciiPoOblast.aspx?id=10&rbrObl=2

[Daniel the Great]

Macedonians have deaths at a faster rate then they do births. Albanians have more births then deaths. If it continues this way, who knows what it will be like in only 20 years time. Could the Albanians reach 35%+ by that time. Scary stuff.

My opinion on the reason why the Macedonian birth rate is so low is that the average income is not even enough to support a family with one child, let alone two or three. Albanians get strong financial support from their diaspora, That is what Macedonian families lack.

The only solution would be if the average income was to rise, but who know if that will happen.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

I think the income factor does play a role, but I'd say culture plays a big part too.

Muslims tend to have more children, and this trend would more or less be relatively consistent throughout the world.

Is there any data on emigration? This needs to be analysed in conjunction with birth/death rate of the respective groups. I was reading an article the other day that suggested an increase in Macedonians migrating to England. I'd also assume that a fair amount of Albanians are still migrating to Macedonia from the likes of Kosovo, etc.

If the statistics reflect this, the disparity between outgoing Macedonians and incoming Albanians is also a considerable concern.

[DraganOfStip]

Dragan, how do the Albanians support their families with 3-4 kids whereas the Macedonians under the same roof can't?

"Under the same roof"?Hardly.After the framework agreement the minority rights rocketed sky high.In 2007 I applied for one of about 200 positions in the ministry of interior and after passing all the tests I was denied because those places were filled with shiptars,vlachs etc. As the framework agreement stated,minorities must consist a minimum of 25% of all the state administration.Same thing happened previously after i got back from the army,i wanted to work as a professional soldier,but again i was denied from the same reasons.Also,shiptars are kings of organized crime,they're all linked together and support each other.And as Daniel stated,they have more income from abroad.

[Bill77]

I think the income factor does play a role, but I'd say culture plays a big part too.

I believe culture does play a big part, but unfortunately, i don't agree with income is a issue with planning families. It never was for our forefathers and mothers that had many many children and yet financially, they were not better off infact it was much much worse.

So why the difference now? Mentality!.......there was a saying in Macedonian, something like "deca se bogadtsvo" or "imash deca imash bogatsvo". Today the mentality is "imash mobilen.... imash bogatsvo. imash shvajerka.... imash zivot. imash nekolku evra i ima nekolku kafanchina...kurot mi boli za nishto drugo"

Macedonians have became very selfish individuals since their independence then later on by the lure of false dreams coming from this EU hype, that they could and will live an American lifestyle in a country that will have an economy Akin to Luxembourg or Switzerland.

[makedonche]

I believe culture does play a big part, but unfortunately, i don't agree with income is a issue with planning families. It never was for our forefathers and mothers that had many many children and yet financially, they were not better off infact it was much much worse.

So why the difference now? Mentality!.......there was a saying in Macedonian, something like "deca se bogadtsvo" or "imash deca imash bogatsvo". Today the mentality is "imash mobilen.... imash bogatsvo. imash shvajerka.... imash zivot. imash nekolku evra i ima nekolku kafanchina...kurot mi boli za nishto drugo"

Macedonians have became very selfish individuals since their independence then later on by the lure of false dreams coming from this EU hype, that they could and will live an American lifestyle in a country that will have an economy Akin to Luxembourg or Switzerland.

Bill77
Hit the nail right on the head Bill........let's see how many people actually get this!