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  • chentovist
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    • Feb 2012
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    CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organisation) as an alternative to NATO

    The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO; Russian: Организация Договора о Коллективной Безопасности) is an intergovernmental military alliance which was signed on 15 May 1992. On 7 October 2002, the Presidents of Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan signed a charter in Tashkent founding the CSTO.

    Nikolai Bordyuzha was appointed secretary general of the new organization. On 23 June 2006, Uzbekistan became a full participant in the CSTO; and its membership was formally ratified by the Uzbek parliament on 28 March 2008.[1] The CSTO is currently an observer organisation at the United Nations General Assembly.

    The CSTO charter reaffirmed the desire of all participating states to abstain from the use or threat of force. Signatories would not be able to join other military alliances or other groups of states, while aggression against one signatory would be perceived as an aggression against all. To this end, the CSTO holds yearly military command exercises for the CSTO nations to have an opportunity to improve inter-organisation cooperation. The largest-scale CSTO military exercise held to date were the "Rubezh 2008" exercises hosted in Armenia where a combined total of 4,000 troops from all 7 constituent CSTO member countries conducted operative, strategic, and tactical training with an emphasis towards furthering efficiency of the collective security element of the CSTO partnership.[2] A 2011 series of training exercises has recently been held in central Asia consisting of "more than 10,000 troops and 70 combat aircraft".[3] Also, Russia has won the right to veto the establishment of new foreign military bases in the member states of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO). In order to deploy military bases of a third country in the territory of the CSTO member-states, it is necessary to obtain the official consent of all its members. But, the tightening of rules for opening extra-regional military bases apparently does not apply to existing facilities, such as the U.S. transit centre in Kyrgyzstan, a German air transit facility in Uzbekistan and French military aircraft based in Tajikistan. However, the decision gains importance in the light of reported plans by the Pentagon to redeploy to Central Asia some of the forces that will be pulled out of Afghanistan in 2014.[4]

    The CSTO employs a "rotating presidency" system in which the country leading the CSTO alternates every year. Kazakhstan currently has the CSTO presidency.[5]






    Given that Macedonia will face continuing objection from Greece, and possibly Albania and Bulgaria in the future, should it dump plans for NATO membership and instead look at alternatives such as the CSTO?

    My view is that Macedonia should seriously consider this, aswell as dumping plans for EU membership.
  • chentovist
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    • Feb 2012
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    #2
    Similarly, Serbia will forever face problems trying to join EU and NATO, and so it's consideration of the CSTO as an alternative is to be commended.

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    Serbia may join CSTO

    Serbia is one of the likeliest candidates for admission to the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

    Interfax quotes a high-ranking diplomatic source in Moscow as saying that consultations are already under way and that the issue could be brought up during an upcoming CSTO meeting in June.

    “The CSTO is not a frozen organization and holds the door open for anyone wishing to join it”, the source said.

    The CSTO comprises Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
    Last edited by chentovist; 06-19-2012, 08:50 PM. Reason: ed

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    • chentovist
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      • Feb 2012
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      #3

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      • chentovist
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        • Feb 2012
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        #4
        Kazakh and Macedonian Presidents discuss bilateral relations and international issues

        Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev and his Macedonian counterpart George Ivanov discussed bilateral relations and issues of the international agenda within the bilateral meeting in Astana on Monday


        Macedonian 'Gasification project' set to begin

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        • damian
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          • Jun 2012
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          #5
          Its interesting especially since the G-7/NATO structures are in a serious crisis state now.

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          • chentovist
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            • Feb 2012
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            #6




            Macedonia Officially joins South Stream Gas pipeline
            Tuesday, 03 July 2012

            Macedonia officially becomes part of the "South Stream" pipeline project. Today's handing over of the draft-agreement is a confirmation by the Russian Federation and Gazprom company that Macedonia is part of the energy project, whose construction is planned to start by year's end and to be completed by late 2015.



            "There's no more dilemma - Macedonia is joining the international gas pipeline corridor "South Stream" as it has been agreed between PM Nikola Gruevski and (Russian) President Vladimir Putin. We've received the text of the draft-agreement on Macedonia's participation into the "South Stream" project," Vice Premier and Minister of Finance Zoran Stavreski stated Tuesday in Nizhny Novgorod, where the 6th session of the Mixed Macedonian-Russian Commission was held.

            It is a remarkable success for Macedonia, according to him, because a huge strategic issue is solved for long-term energy stability of the country.



            I'm content, Stavreski said, that in a very short time we have managed to get a green light from Gazprom and the Russian government a leg of the gas pipeline to pass through Macedonia. "This was in fact done from a position where there were no plans to be included in the project through myriad of contacts and high-ranging talks." He added that it resolved the issue of gas supply for all future generations and it was mostly significant for Macedonia's economy, because "it will make it more competitive with a secured gas resource which will be purchased by an affordable price."



            After the agreement will be studied by legal and energy experts and the text will be harmonised with the other seven countries included in the project, a mixed company is planned to be formed to work on the realisation of the Macedonian leg of the gas pipeline. "These activities will take place in the period to come. What happened today is essential. We got a definitive confirmation from the Russian government and Gazprom that Macedonia is part of the 'South Stream' project," Stavreski stressed.

            Russia's Deputy Minister for Regional Development Maxim Travnikov stated that the project's realisation was crucial for the modernisation of the entire energy system and for Macedonia's development.



            "By joining the 'South Stream' project, Macedonia will boost its energy stability and improve the living conditions of citizens," said Travnikov expressing hopes that everything would be agreed in due time and that both sides would be satisfied.

            The project is expected to be launched by the end of 2012 and will be completed by late 2015. Depending on details, it is yet to be determined when the Macedonian leg will be built.

            Vice PM Stavreski said that the session of the inter-governmental commission was also important due to the signing of a memorandum for cooperation with Stroytransgaz company, which "is a step forward in constructing a national gas pipeline network."



            Participants at the session amongst other things discussed to organise meetings between Russian and Macedonian businessmen and to strengthen the cooperation in science, culture, education and other areas significant for the traditionally favourable relations between Macedonia and Russia.

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            • George S.
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              • Aug 2009
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              #7
              they do it to us because they want us to grovel on the ground as if we got no other options.tHAT WILL BE A BIG BLOW TO NATO if macedonia joins someone else.The politicians are allready for changing our name just so that they can join nato.But with csto no name change is needed.
              Last edited by George S.; 07-03-2012, 06:46 PM. Reason: ed
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • chentovist
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                • Feb 2012
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                #8
                Originally posted by George S. View Post
                they do it to us because they want us to grovel on the ground as if we got no other options.tHAT WILL BE A BIG BLOW TO NATO if macedonia joins someone else.The politicians are allready for changing our name just so that they can join nato.But with csto no name change is needed.
                If Macedonia did join the CSTO, it would be surrounded by NATO members, and give the CSTO a great foothold into the heart of Europe.

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                • Razer
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                  • May 2012
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                  #9
                  Not a good idea, and I don' think there's a chance of it ever happening. Because this will mean for Macedonia to lose it's ties with Europe and the US. Didn't the Americans had their largest embassy on the Balkans in Skopje?

                  I still think there is a way for Macedonia to join NATO and the EU, and keeps it's name. The Macedonian politicians just need to find it.

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                  • Phoenix
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                    • Dec 2008
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by chentovist View Post
                    If Macedonia did join the CSTO, it would be surrounded by NATO members, and give the CSTO a great foothold into the heart of Europe.
                    The 2001 insurgency in Macedonia was supported by Western interests.
                    In the unlikely event that Macedonia were to stray from its 'Western' path, the said 'interests' would unleash their dogs inside Macedonia again...

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                    • Coolski
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                      • Sep 2008
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                      #11
                      I think the way to keep Macedonia politically and economically stable is to make sure that all major power brokers have political and economic investments in Macedonia. That way there will be much to loose if any of these power brokers decide to cause problems.
                      - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
                      - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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                      • Razer
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                        • May 2012
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                        The 2001 insurgency in Macedonia was supported by Western interests.
                        In the unlikely event that Macedonia were to stray from its 'Western' path, the said 'interests' would unleash their dogs inside Macedonia again...
                        That's exactly what I'm thinking. The CIA will come up with some false flag operation and destabilize the country probably using fanatic Islamist. The situation in Macedonia is already getting out of control with the Albanians - just imagine what will happen with Albania in EU and Macedonia in CSTO...

                        It's nothing personal against Macedonia. It's just how NATO operates in the grand scheme of things. It's goal is to surround Russia and any small country standing on it's way will be bulldozed.

                        So Macedonia should play it smart and play both sides - keep good relationship with Russia while seek integration into NATO and EU, and make the best of it for it's people.
                        Last edited by Razer; 07-04-2012, 05:44 AM.

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                        • damian
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                          • Jun 2012
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                          The 2001 insurgency in Macedonia was supported by Western interests.
                          In the unlikely event that Macedonia were to stray from its 'Western' path, the said 'interests' would unleash their dogs inside Macedonia again...
                          ROM missed oppurtunities to prevent this from happening.

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                          • Makedonska_Kafana
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                            • Aug 2010
                            • 2642

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Razer View Post

                            I still think there is a way for Macedonia to join NATO and the EU
                            yes, both athens and sofia will be banned from every international organization for on-going club violations.

                            g. soros
                            http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                            Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                            • damian
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                              • Jun 2012
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                              #15
                              Why anyone still wants to join these organisations in the middle of a global economic meltdown? Best thing is just to play possum.

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