Razer and Stefan - Bulgar morons

[Phoenix]

... you are the only Bulgarian EVER that I have seen on the net who hasn't acted like a complete dick within the first few posts where it concerns Macedonians.

Give him a chance to build some momentum SoM. afterall he's been in SA for the last 15 years, let him get in touch with his anti-Macedonian side again...I'll give him less than 50 posts to get back on track and out of this forum...

[Razer]

Guys, I'll be more than happy to plan a trip to Blagoevgrad, stay there for few days and observe the situation with my own eyes. I'm not afraid of the police, let them come after me. I want to get to the bottom of this. Then I'll post a report here.

[Razer]

Give him a chance to build some momentum SoM. afterall he's been in SA for the last 15 years, let him get in touch with his anti-Macedonian side again...I'll give him less than 50 posts to get back on track and out of this forum...

Phoenix, I'm not going to build any "anti-Macedonian side", I can assure you. Yes, I have been in SA for 15 years, but I have been researching the Macedonian-Bulgarian issue since 2007. I'm not a negative person who jumps into conclusions or relies on his emotions - I like to use my brain, to do research, examine all the different angles and build a bigger picture based on facts, not fiction.

This is the first time I communicate with Macedonians in such a constructive way, for which I thank each one of you - really. Thank you for not kicking my ass Fell free to ask me anything.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Give him a chance to build some momentum SoM. afterall he's been in SA for the last 15 years, let him get in touch with his anti-Macedonian side again...I'll give him less than 50 posts to get back on track and out of this forum...

That has happened so many times in the past. I hope Razer is different.

[AMHRC]

Guys, I'll be more than happy to plan a trip to Blagoevgrad, stay there for few days and observe the situation with my own eyes. I'm not afraid of the police, let them come after me. I want to get to the bottom of this. Then I'll post a report here.

Razer, any anthropologist will tell you that more than a "few days" are required to develop some semblance of an understanding of a social context. Moreover, people do not usually 'open up' to complete strangers.

However, if you are in earnest, then I would recommend you contact OMO "Ilinden" Pirin, in advance. Here are their contact details:


Bulgaria
Blagoevgrad 2700
zk 'Elenovo' bl 6 v. B ap. 6
p.k. Mechkarovi
Email: [email protected]
Website: http://www.omoilindenpirin.org/

[George S.]

Razer do what AMHRC has said go & see omo ilindedn find out about what they saw in the census as discriminitary & unfavourable.If you see the omo org you should get on top of everything.Failing that in my posts i put a link on the documents that omo has that tells you what's going on & police beatings etc.

http://www.omoilindenpirin.org/documents.asp

click on this link.

[Razer]

Ok, after researching all day the Macedonians in Pirin question, I now understand the Bulgarian position. Here it is in a summary:

The Bulgarian position is that the Macedonian ethnic identity in Pirin was created by the Communist regime of Georgi Dimitrov and Tito, under the supervision of Stalin. It was a process, during which a Macedonian identity was forced to the people of that region so that Pirin province can eventually join the Socialist Republic of Macedonia and Yugoslavia. Thousands of people who didn't comply were thrown in jail and killed as a result. This process started in 1946 and ended in 1958, when the relationship between Yugoslavia and the USSR worsened. After the death of Stalin, Nikita Khrushchev cancelled the program, but elements of it still exist till today probably due to Serbian propaganda.

Here is a letter from Kiril Dramaliev, a popular Bulgarian politician at that time, to Georgi Dimitrov:



Here is a letter from parents in Petrich, written in 1948:



So this is why Bulgarians don't accept the Macedonian ethnic identity in Pirin.

[Soldier of Macedon]

So what is your opinion on the logic of the Bulgarian position, based on what you've posted above?

[Razer]

I am not going to make a quick decision, but continue researching. I also want to travel to Blagoevgrad (I'm sure I'll find relatives of friends from that region) and hopefully visit Macedonia too in near future.

Knowledge is power

[Big Bad Sven]

Ok, after researching all day the Macedonians in Pirin question, I now understand the Bulgarian position. Here it is in a summary:

The Bulgarian position is that the Macedonian ethnic identity in Pirin was created by the Communist regime of Georgi Dimitrov and Tito, under the supervision of Stalin. It was a process, during which a Macedonian identity was forced to the people of that region so that Pirin province can eventually join the Socialist Republic of Macedonia and Yugoslavia. Thousands of people who didn't comply were thrown in jail and killed as a result. This process started in 1946 and ended in 1958, when the relationship between Yugoslavia and the USSR worsened. After the death of Stalin, Nikita Khrushchev cancelled the program, but elements of it still exist till today probably due to Serbian propaganda.

Here is a letter from Kiril Dramaliev, a popular Bulgarian politician at that time, to Georgi Dimitrov:



Here is a letter from parents in Petrich, written in 1948:



So this is why Bulgarians don't accept the Macedonian ethnic identity in Pirin.

Hey Phoenix, you were half way there on your guess that things might turn a bit ugly with Razer, it took him 25 posts to start referasing the same old propaganda about how the serbs, tito, the USSR and god knows who else created the macedonians.

Some things never change

Im just glad the bombers are best team in the comp, how are things at the bottom end of the ladder brah

[Razer]

@ Big Bad Sven

How do you explain the two letters? I was more than clear that I'm not making any concrete decisions yet. I just replayed to some previous posts.

[George S.]

I'm finding in a lot of the discussions that people have in general the people are omitted Macedonian as if they don't exist.I would hazard to guess that prior to taking over the pirin area there must have been more than a million macedonians.The bulgarian govt has gone to a lot of trouble to deny that they exist.Despite what they did there are about 800,000 macedonians in pirin macedonia.Did anyone ask the people if they wanted to be taken over.Can one race of people walk in simply take over indigenous people's land killing looting raping,pillaging. how can that happen agains't the wishes of the people.
Razer that is precisely what has happened under the guise of liberating land from the ottomans bulgaria amongs't others simply took macedonian lands.But who were these people living allready there for thousands of years The macedonian people.
Macedonia should have been left to liberate itself from the ottomans not for landhungry wolves to satisfy their apetites.If you doubt it look at maps going back thousand years macedonia has allways been one country!!!

[Razer]

Look at what the govt is doing oppressing the people violating basic human rights,People can't identify as macedonian & get beaten for being macedonia.So far razer you have not renounced what the bulgarian govt is doing & has done.You think everything is ok.After all this you think they are going to show how many macedonians there are,not on your life.Razer you are supporting what the bulgarian govt is doing admit it!

Mate, I am the last person in Bulgaria who supports our government. To me they are all a bunch of idiots, who need to be stoned to death on the streets. I'm far, far away from believing a single word coming out of their mouth.

Since I got back here, I haven't seen any anti-Macedonian feelings from the ordinary people. This is the truth, I promise you. Bulgarians are just trying to survive and don't really care about Macedonia. I have asked many of my friends "What do you think about the situation with Macedonia?" and the most common answer was something like "Leave them alone" or "I don't care". Now, the political parties here are a different story - I don't trust them and who knows what they are doing behind closed doors.

Regarding the 800,000 Macedonians in the Pirin region. I still find it hard to believe that such a large number of people is being oppressed. The best will be for me to visit this region and find out for myself.

[Razer]

Guys, how to you embed youtube videos here? I tried the usual [youtube]...[/youtube], but it doesn't seem to work...

Thanks.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Razer, just post the youtube link on the page. The image of it will appear. But if you're intending to post some more Bulgarian trash, then you need not waste your time.