Razer and Stefan - Bulgar morons

[Razer]

I find it strange that a guy that has lived in South Africa all of his life, that came here to learn more about bulgarian-slavs and macedonians, and claimed to be behind balkan politics, has some how transformed into a bulgarian-slav nationalist and expert on macedonian matters in the space of a few weeks.

Maybe he is a real quick learner or a genius.

I'm 31 y/o and lived in SA for 14 years. I grew up in Bulgaria and yes - I know few things about politics because my father and grandfather were both involved in this field. I have been researching the Macedonia-Bulgaria issue since around 2005, so a bit more than few weeks...

[Soldier of Macedon]

SOM, its been a while since I even touched on the subject. Once in awhile il come out and voice my opinion and your right I know the answer coming but its not with bad intent.

Spew up your BS "opinion" elsewhere, we've heard it before and have no interest in watching you repeat it just because you haven't "touched on the subject" for a while.

We also know that Alans has been destroyed and totally disappeared from history when Huns migrated to current Ukraine from the east in late 4th century.

They lost their sovereignty to invading Turkic peoples and many of them migrated westward. That doesn't mean they "totally disappeared from history", it's not like the Huns killed every single Alan in Eurasia.

You mean modern Ossetians being the descendants of Alans? This is an unproven theory just like Albanians being supposedly the illyrians.

Who do you think Ossetians descend from?

And I can post you plenty of authors (non-Bulgarian), who will say that Macedonians are Bulgarians.

And for each of them their logic or stupidity can be easily explained.

Like I said in my first post - I support 100% the independence Macedonia 100%.

Your support is irrelevant and worthless given that you've also suggested that Macedonia should change its name.

This is no more Macedonian land, but Bulgarian.

It will always be Macedonian land. Always. No matter which modern state has usurped it.

Can you give me some examples of how Macedonians are being treated like rubbish? I mean, some real evidence.

Consider this your final warning for denying the suffering of indigenous Macedonians in the Macedonian part of modern Bulgaria.

[Voltron]

lol ^ talk about coverng all bases.
anyway, no hard feelings but cmon once in a while for the sake of discussion isnt bad.

[George S.]

Proud Macedonians in Gorna Dzumaja, Pirin Macedonia

Introduction | Makedonski Icelenuchki Almanac | OMO Ilinden | OSCE Human Rights Conference - Presentation by MHRMC
International Helsinki Federation 1999 Human Rights Report | International Helsinki Federation Report on Bulgaria
Amnesty International Press Release
Introduction
Pirin Macedonia came under Bulgarian occupation after the Balkan Wars in 1913. Macedonians were denied their human rights, the right to speak their own language, and the ability to openly express their Macedonian identity. These human rights violations continue today. Bulgarians also claim that Macedonians are "really Bulgarians" and that they speak "a Western Bulgarian dialect." This despite the fact that Macedonian is spoken by millions of people throughout the world and is an internationally recognized language and taught at dozens of universities worldwide.
"We Macedonians are not Serbians nor Bulgars but simply Macedonians. The Macedonian people (narod) exists separate from the Bulgarian and the Serbian. We feel with both and the one that helps our liberation we'll thank but neither should forget that Macedonia belongs to the Macedonians." - Boris Sarafov, 1902
"In 1875 Pulevski published a 'Dictionary of Three Languages' (Macedonian, Albanian, and Turkish). In the introduction he wrote that 'a nation is the term for a people who have the same origin, who speak the same language...and who have the same customs, songs, and festivals...Thus the Macedonians are a nation, and Macedonia is their fatherland.' Several years later he founded a Macedonian literary society in Sofia, which was quickly suppressed by the Bulgarian authorities." 1
"According to a confidential report submitted to the Foreign Office at the end of World War II by Captain P.H. Evans, a British intelligence officer, the district of Florina was 'predominnantly a Slav region not a Greek one,' where Greek was regarded 'as almost a foreign language' and the Greeks were 'distrusted as something alien.' Evans emphasizes that 'the inhabitants of the area, just as they are not Greeks, are also not Bulgarians or Serbs or Croats. They are Macedonians.'" (Rossos 1991:293-294)
"The official policy of the Bulgarian state, ever since the first democratic elections of June 1990, has been to denounce the existence of a Macedonian minority. Thus the police have been given a free hand in suppressing all public manifestations of Macedonian identity. Moreover, the New Bulgarian Constitution of July 13, 1991, as well as the Political Parties Act provide for a discriminative ban against organizations and political parties on ethnic and/or religious basis." 2
"Bulgaria should recognize the Macedonian minority" - Krassimir Kranev, Bulgarian Helsinki Committee (Sega, May 15-21, 1997)
The following is a quote from the CIA World Factbook 1998 regarding Bulgaria's ethnic composition:
Ethnic groups: Bulgarian 85.3%, Turk 8.5%, Gypsy 2.6%, Macedonian 2.5%, Armenian 0.3%, Russian 0.2%, other 0.6%
The following are two quotes from Jorn Ivar Qvonje, Professor of Balkan Linguistics at the University of Copenhagen: 3

"The Macedonian language norm has been acknowledged by the Slavonic linguistics (with the exception of the Bulgarian linguists who until recently have kept the designation 'West-Bulgarian dialect'). In the highly respected 'Guide to the Slavonic Languages', London 1961 (p.797) by R.G.A. de Bray, the Macedonian language is treated on par with other Slavonic languages."
"A fine textbook in Macedonian is: V. Bojic & W. Oschlies: 'Lehrbuch der Mazedonischen Sprache', Munchen, 1984, Slavstische Beitrage nr. 175. A Macedonian - Russian dictionary was published in Moscow in 1963. It is therefore beyond doubt that the Macedonian language is accepted as an independent language by international linguists."

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Makedonski Icelenuchki Almanac 4
In Bulgaria, in Pirin Macedonia, there was in 1919 a compact Macedonian population of about 250,000. Official Bulgarian policy and statistics following the Second World War showed different figures in different periods concerning the number of ethnic Macedonians in the country. The encyclopedic handbook Ethnic Minorities in Europe quotes data from the official censuses. In 1946 there were 300,000 people enumerated as Macedonians and in 1956 - 188,000. According to the sources quoted, in 1990 there were about 250,000 Macedonians living in Bulgaria. It is important to note that according to the 1956 census, when 187,789 inhabitants declared themselves as Macedonians, they constituted a majority in a large part of Pirin Macedonia. In the Blagoevgrad District alone, which comprised 281,015 inhabitants, 178,862, or 63.7% declared themselves as Macedonians. There are also many Macedonians living in Sofia and other parts of Bulgaria. In spite of all claims by Bulgaria to European orientation and the acceptance of European democratic values, during the 1992 population census the Macedonians were not allowed to declare their ethnic affiliation under a separate heading.

In a short period after 1947, the Macedonians living in Pirin Macedonia had schools in their mother tongue and their own theatre. More recently, Amnesty International, the Organization for International Human Rights, and Human Rights Watch/Helsinki have given documentary evidence about the situation there and about the violation of the individual and minority rights of the Macedonians.

The authorities have been refusing the registration of the Ilinden United Macedonian Organization and the Macedonian Democratic Party, although they fulfill all the necessary legal conditions. The 1995 U.S. Department of State report underlines "the Government's refusal since 1990 to register a Macedonian rights group, OMO Ilinden," and that this is a "restriction of the constitutional rights to express opinions and to associate". Police and judicial repression against the leaders and activists of OMO Ilinden and other Macedonian organizations is continuing. In order to prevent the celebration of anniversaries of historical events by the Macedonians in Pirin Macedonia, special police forces are used and even military manouevres are organized at that time.

In 1994 and 1995, the periodicals of the Macedonian organizations in Pirin Macedonia came under attack from the Public Prosecutor of Bulgaria. Several periodicals, including Makedonska Volja, however, continue to write openly on the discrimination against ethnic Macedonians in Bulgaria. An illustration of the extent of this discrimination is the expulsion from the Bulgarian Writer's Association of the writer Slave Makedonski, whose works have been translated into several world languages, owing to the fact that he has publicly declared his Macedonian ethnic affiliation. A number of writers, artists, and other individuals are harassed or denied access to jobs because of their Macedonian feeling.

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OMO Ilinden
OMO (United Macedonian Organization) Ilinden is an organization of Macedonians in Pirin Macedonia that are dedicated to achieving cultural and human rights. It was established in November of 1989 during the fall of communism in Eastern Europe. As citizens of other countries were finally attaining their freedom, Bulgaria, along with Greece, remained determined to deny their minorities any rights. The Bulgarian government has consistently denied this group the right to register as a "legal" organization.

"In July 1990, OMO Ilinden applied for registration at the district court of Blagoevgrad but was turned down as the 'targets of the organization and the means of its attainment are directed against this nation's (Bulgaria) unity, and are aiming at spurring a national and ethnic hostility' (Bulgarian Telegraph Association, July 18, 1990) and the Blagoevgrad prosecutor warned that the leaders faced prosecution under Article 162 of the penal code which allows for up to six years imprisonment." 5

Other articles of the Criminal Code that are frequently used to prosecute Macedonians and other national minorities are Articles 108 and 109 which deal with "anti-state agitation and propaganda" and Article 39 of the People's Militia Law which "allows administrative punishment (that is without trial), which has reportedly been used to forcibly resettle members of the Macedonian ethnic minority in other areas of the country." 6



OSCE Human Rights Conference - Presentation by MHRMC
The following quotes are from the Macedonian Human Rights Movement of Canada, on behalf of OMO Ilinden, made at the OSCE Human Rights Conference in November, 1998 in Warsaw, Poland.

To read more about MHRMC's presentations at the conference regarding Bulgarian and Greek discrimination against ethnic Macedonians, please click here


The Current State of Bulgarian State Compliance with Its Obligations Respecting Freedom of Expression, Free Media and Information, Freedom of Association, and the Right of Peaceful Assembly

Freedom of Expression and Free Media
With respect to those citizens who identify themselves as Macedonians the Bulgarian government has and continues to place unlawful restrictions on a number of fundamental rights of these people. Whether it be through uneven application of laws which on their face do not seem to discriminate against the Macedonian minority, or through unlawful conduct of officials, the effect is the same: Macedonians in Bulgaria who choose to openly call themselves Macedonians suffer abuses of their human rights repeatedly. As regards freedom of expression and free media and information, for instance, the Macedonian human and minority rights organization, OMO-Ilinden has recently suffered the following outrageous act at the hands of the Bulgarian authorities.

On April 14 of this year, OMO-Ilinden began the publication of a newspaper which was intended to serve as a voice for its members and their concerns and interests. Just two days later, on 16, April, 1998 seven policemen broke up a meeting of this organization without a search warrant and after 8:00 p.m. (the latest time in which searches can be conducted legally). Notwithstanding the statement of police sergeant Krsomir Karonfil, that he was “sent by the authorities to come and search your organization’s headquarters and seize what is necessary,” when asked for evidence of his legal right to conduct such a search, he was unable to provide such evidence. Fearing violence, OMO-Ilinden members allowed the search to continue without any other protest, hoping that they could achieve some measure of relief after the fact through the court system. All equipment and supplies necessary to publish a newspaper (including what is for those in Bulgaria a particularly expensive item, a photocopier) were seized and, as of today (some six months later) have not been returned. Nor, subsequent OMO-Ilinden’s official complaint to the regional authority who oversees these kinds of searches, and to the highest military authority in Sofia, has there been a response to the complaints lodged.

In addition to forcibly restricting the right of OMO-Ilinden to publish its own newspaper, the government of Bulgaria uses, or permits others in the private sphere to use, the media to discredit the legitimacy of OMO-Ilinden and, by extension, the central tenet of the organization: the existence and significance of the Macedonian minority in Bulgaria. OMO-Ilinden is either portrayed as a fringe organization of mentally unstable people (the implication being, to believe you are Macedonian in Bulgaria must mean you are insane) or as a terrorist organization responsible for a whole range of criminal activity (implying that only criminals call themselves Macedonians). Examples are very numerous. In all cases, despite the government’s direct or indirect involvement of the promulgation of untruths about OMO- Ilinden, the organization is, perhaps not surprisingly, forbidden access to the same media for purposes of rebuttal. Furthermore, when OMO-Ilinden has attempted to seek redress through the courts, they are denied standing at the first stage and a court-derived remedy is denied them.

Following are specific examples of comments made in the following newspapers: 24 Chassa, Trut, 168 Chassa, Duma, Makedonje, Struma and Pirin News:

OMO Ilinden threatens regional journalist with death - Struma April 24, 1994
OMO Ilinden prepares to kill journalist - Struma June 6, 1994
OMO Ilinden stole TV equipment of German news crew - Pirinski Delo August 2, 1994
Bomb threats attributed to OMO Ilinden - Struma June 24, 1994
psychopaths from the Macedonian disease - Mariana Cvetoslavova in 168 Chassa October 4, 1998
OMO Ilinden members are lunatics and psychopaths - Anatoly Velichkov, Member of Bulgarian Parliament in 168 Chassa October 4, 1993
OMO Ilinden needs psychotherapy - Crsomir Kanakachana, President, VMRO and Member of Bulgarian Parliament in 24 Chass September 4, 1998
Head Bulgarian Prosecutor : OMO Ilinden are lunatics and traitors - Trut March 23, 1998
Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this pattern of using the media to discredit a legitimate organization, is the fact that these comments are not made by a single newspaper or journalist, but rather they are made by radio, television and newspaper staff, government officials and even members of the Bulgarian Parliament.
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International Helsinki Federation 1999 Report
The following are excerpts from the IHF's 1999 human rights report. For the full text please visit their website

Throughout 1998 Bulgaria was ruled by a government consisting of the United Democratic Forces (UtDF), formed after the elections of April 1997. In contrast to previous years, 1998 was not marked by political or economic upheavals. The government continued its policy of reform and reiterated its willingness to abide by European human rights standards. This created a favorable public climate both for legislative reforms as well as for NGO activities.

However, the actual development of the human rights situation in Bulgaria in 1998 was contradictory. While authorities continued their dialogue with human rights NGOs and carried out investigations into past abuses, sentences for human rights violations were very mild. On the whole, in most spheres of human rights the situation did not change, in some a setback was observed.

Freedom of Association and Peaceful Assembly

The rights of ethnic and religious minority groups as well as trade-union activists to association and assembly were restricted. The only positive development was the government's June decision to register the moderate Macedonian culture-based organization TMO-IMRO, led by Georgi Solunski.

Protection of Ethnic Minorities - Macedonian Minority

In early July the European Commission of Human Rights admitted the complaint submitted by ethnic Macedonians regarding the violation of their right to peaceful assembly. Despite this fact, violations continued.

· On 18 April several hundred activists of UMO "Ilinden" were prevented from placing flowers on the grave of Yane Sandanski, a historic Macedonian figure on the basis of an order of the Blagoevgrad District Prosecutor's Office. People attempting to approach the site of the grave near Rozhen were turned back because of their "technically faulty vehicles." Vassil Gyudjemov, who still managed to reach to the grave, was detained for not carrying a passport and beaten by the police.

· On 2 August the mayor of Petrich banned the UMO "Ilinden" celebrations of the anniversary of the Ilinden Uprising in the Samouilova Krepost locality near Petrich. Yordan Toshev, a local UMO "Ilinden" activist, was arrested for having thrown flowers at the policemen's feet.

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International Helsinki Federation
Protection of Ethnic Minorities
Report by the International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights
to the
United Nations Commission on Human Rights
Fifty-Fourth Session
Geneva, 16 March - 24 April 1998
(Item No. 16)
Protection of the ethnic and cultural identity of the minorities in Bulgaria is inadequate. Members of ethnic minority groups appear today to have less chance of receiving instruction in their mother tongue than in previous years. A request by members of the Bulgarian Turkish community to receive instruction in and about their own language was rejected by the authorities.

On 4 December 1997, the government adopted Decree N 449, setting up a National Council on Ethnic and Demographic Questions at the Council of Ministers. The Council is a consultative body expected to develop and propose strategies of demographic policy, promote tolerance and understanding between ethnic and religious groups, and to coordinate support for Bulgarians abroad. This strange combination of functions raises serious doubts about the Council’s capacity to fulfill them.

The Macedonian Minority

Under the new government of the United Democratic Forces, policy towards ethnic Macedonians has remained unchanged. Macedonians are subjected to various forms of harassment, including confiscation of their publications, being prevented from holding assemblies and book presentations, and officials refusing to let them meet on public premises.

On 28 August 1997, customs officers at Stanke Lissichkovo border checkpoint confiscated 31 books from Georgi Hristov on the ground that he had not declared them upon entry and that they had a "pro-Macedonian nationalistic content."

On 20 April 1997, the Blagoevgrad district prosecutor banned a rally by activists of UMO "Ilinden," a pro-Macedonian group, at the grave of Yane Sandanski in the Rozhen Monastery. In May, the prosecutor banned them from celebrating the 94th anniversary of the death of Gotse Delchev, and the activists involved were detained.

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Amnesty International
22 APRIL 1994

BULGARIA: AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL URGES AUTHORITIES TO ENSURE POLICE OBSERVANCE OF INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS STANDARDS

Amnesty International is urging the authorities to ensure that police abide by international human rights standards at tomorrow's ethnic Macedonian commemorative assembly, following the violent events which overtook the assembly last year.

The commemorative assembly at Rozhen Monastery is an annual event, traditionally organized by OMO "Ilinden" (United Macedonian Organization "Ilinden") to commemorate the death of Jane Sandanski, a local hero of the struggle against Ottoman rule at the turn of the century.

On 24 April 1993, dozens of ethnic Macedonians, many of them members of OMO "Ilinden", were ill-treated by police officers in Lozenitsa and Spatovo after attempting to visit Rozhen Monastery.

"Special police units beat them with truncheons and rifle butts; they dragged people from their cars and knocked them to the ground", Amnesty International said. "We are concerned that the apparently unprovoked attack by officers of the special police units on the people who gathered in Lozenitsa and Spatovo represented a flagrant violation of international human rights standards, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), to which Bulgaria has acceded.";
Amnesty International is particularly concerned by the reported statement from the Regional Security Service of Blagoevgrad that the police are undertaking "all appropriate measures to surround the area around the Rozhen Monastery on 23 April and to prevent the OMO "Ilinden" assembly from taking place".
Three ethnic Macedonians are already reported to have been detained in Blagoevgrad while peacefully exercising their right to freedom of expression. On 15 April, Stoyan Machkarov, Khristo Yanev and Lubomir Vasilev were reportedly arrested by members of the Regional Security Service of Blagoevgrad and charged with putting up posters to announce Saturday's assembly. All three were allegedly beaten while in the police station before being released that day.

Amnesty International considers their detention and alleged ill- treatment to be a violation of the ICCPR. As a State Party to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, Bulgaria is bound to initiate a prompt and impartial investigation wherever there is evidence that torture or other ill-treatment has occurred.

Amnesty International has written to Zhelyu Zhelev, the President of Bulgaria, urging him to initiate an independent and impartial inquiry into the alleged beatings in Blagoevgrad, to make public its findings and to bring to justice anyone responsible for human rights violations. The human rights organization has still not received any reply to its letter of July 1993, to Minister of the Interior, Viktor Mikhaylov, that expressed its concern at the police violence at last year's assembly. The human rights organization called on the Bulgarian Government to initiate an independent and impartial inquiry into the alleged ill- treatment of people in Lozenitsa and Spatovo, to make public its findings and to bring to justice all those found responsible. Amnesty International is not aware whether such an investigation took place.

The human rights organization is urging President Zhelev to ensure that the police in the area of Rozhen Monastery on 23 April abide by relevant international human rights standards including UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials.

References

The Macedonian Conflict, Loring M. Danforth, Princeton University Press, New Jersey, 1996: p.50
Macedonians of Bulgaria, Center for Documentation and Information on Minorities in Europe-Southeast Europe (CEDIME-SE), 1999
Human Rights Violations Against Ethnic Macedonians, Macedonian Human Rights Movement of Canada, Toronto, 1996
Makedonski Icelenuchki Almanac '97, Matitsa na Icelenitsite od Makedonija; Skopje: 1997; p.60-61
The Balkans - Minorities and States in Conflict, Poulton, Hugh, Minority Rights Publications, London, 1993; p.110
Ibid.; p. 108

Razer i hope you don't comeback look at the above articles & you wpuld have seen the extent the authorities went to suppress the macedonian consciousness.You say you will learn or you'll go to find out i don't thinkso you have said many times nothing is going on & no one is beatened up.That's a lie & you know it.Your bulgarian govt track record is terrible in terms of mistreatment given & beatings to macedonians.Helsinki watch has observed your govt not honoring it's duties for basic human rights over the years & your govt does not care about it & does not heed any advice.It is dreadfully disgusting what your govt is doing denying macedonians their rights.
How many times we have shown you evidence & you have simply said it never happened.Remember your 100% its a lie.It's not a lie Razer the evidence is there i think you have been sent over to gauge our response.You allready addmitted by your rsponse of denials.
Please do us favour & don't come back as you have insulted us immensley.Just think your moron bulgarian officials have stopped people even putting floweres on yane sandanski's grave.How moronic & stupid is that no respect for your fellow man.It's just the tip of the iceberg of attrocities & injustices committed on the macedonian people.

[Risto the Great]

Thank you for posting this. I don't see anything wrong with it. And please just read the second sentence after the one you underlined:

You accept that the recent history of Bulgaria includes a huge infiltration of Macedonian culture. I don't blame you.

I don't really care about the second sentence. Fact is the population demographics of Sofia. Opinion is the will of the Macedonians in Bulgaria. It may well have been a case of Macedonians in Bulgaria hoping for a greater Macedonia.

But I am glad you are fine with half of Sofia being Macedonians as well as Pirin. I still believe it is the Macedonian influence in Bulgaria that makes people like you think we have more in common than would have been the case historically.

Razer, I have noticed your agenda here is squarely aimed at denying the Macedonian identity and also denying the rightful historical claims that Macedonians have over our written language. My intention is to ban you shortly. I wish you well on your Greek forums.

[Razer]

Razer, I have noticed your agenda here is squarely aimed at denying the Macedonian identity and also denying the rightful historical claims that Macedonians have over our written language. My intention is to ban you shortly. I wish you well on your Greek forums.

You're wrong. I have no agenda. All I'm doing is trying to understand your position, but if you think that's a crime please go ahead and ban be.

[Soldier of Macedon]

lol ^ talk about coverng all bases.
anyway, no hard feelings but cmon once in a while for the sake of discussion isnt bad.

No, you do not have the right to insult the memory of our ancestors and our history once in a while, or ever.

Razer, I have noticed your agenda here is squarely aimed at denying the Macedonian identity and also denying the rightful historical claims that Macedonians have over our written language. My intention is to ban you shortly. I wish you well on your Greek forums.

Just do it mate. Once again, another idiot has taken advantage of our goodwill by first pretending to be decent until eventually developing into the inevitable dickhead that many here expected. They don't accept clear facts about our people, what they've been through and what they still currently endure. They can't just stop at providing their opinion and moving on, they have to keep harping on and on about it, like they're going to change our memories which have been passed on to us from our ancestors and their ancestors before them. This plastic "good guy" act is all too familiar these days. Our enemies and detractors come at us from all angles. I couldn't give a shit if somebody is apparently a "good guy", they can't be that "good" if they deny our existence, our history, and our suffering. People like Voltron and Razer live for this shit, like the scum that they are. All they do is think about denigrating our people one way or another.

[Soldier of Macedon]

You're wrong. I have no agenda. All I'm doing is trying to understand your position, but if you think that's a crime please go ahead and ban be.

You're not trying to understand our position, you're trying to undermine it with your idiotic trash and denial of our suffering. You're nothing but another piece of shit in the rain. You've been sent on a holiday like your boyfriend Voltron, enjoy your time together. Like him, you may also have a chance to return in a few weeks if you learn how to stop insulting Macedonians, their rights, and their history. If you don't return, then don't. Until then, good riddance.

[Bill77]

Razer......are you and the Vol back?

Geee us Macedonians a fair people.

[Razer]

I'm back, but I don't see the point of it. All you do is attack Bulgarian history and culture. Which is why I have submitted this forum for review by several European institutions.

This is not the outback - this is Europe and as a European citizen I can't tolerate the spread of hate and lies.

[Big Bad Sven]

Which is why I have submitted this forum for review by several European institutions.

hahahahahahaha

The macedonians dont wanna play ball with the racist bhulgarians and their racist stance towards macedonia, and you run crying to some European institutions LOL

They probably deleted your email after they finished laughing at it

[Big Bad Sven]

This is not the outback - this is Europe and as a European citizen I can't tolerate the spread of hate and lies.

LOL A "European citizen"

Western Europeans want the Bhulgarz out of Europe ASAP

They dont consider balkan people to be european, let alone white, so what makes you fee so special. The bhulgarian slavs have certainly got a over inflated opinion of themselves since joining the mess that is the EU.

Slavic Bulgaria is a disgrace, it treats minorities like the macedonians, roma, turks and even serbs like crap. You should fix your own back yard before pointing fingers at other chum.

But then again, in europe it seems to be ok to kick out roma from your country (france), or beat the shit out of them (hungary, poland etc), so slavic bhulgarians seem to fit in perfectly with the dysfunctional family which is called the EU

Enjoy being a slave (again)

[Bill77]

I'm back, but I don't see the point of it.

Oh yes you do. To try and cover what we expose, and every bit of Bulgarian lie we uncover is corroborated. Then when all facts become overwhelming the discomfort kicks in, you play the victim card.

All you do is attack Bulgarian history and culture.

We don't attack, just expose. But playing a victim would look at it as an attack.

This is your problem. You tend to seek consistency in your beliefs and perceptions. So what happens when you realise (after reading some of our facts)..... realisation conflicts with previously held belief. The feeling of discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, Causes a reaction in your mind, something must change in order to eliminate or reduce the dissonance.

This is not the outback - this is Europe

Well speak to your government and lecture them how this is Europe. Then convince them to respect The human rights watch dog decision, when they order your country to allow Ethnic Macedonians rights.

[George S.]

"I can't tolerate the spread of hate and lies. "You are portaying yourself as the victim.I don't see anything worth discussing as you have not made any willing admissions.We have tried to extract the truth from you but you have not been willing.You portray typical bulgarian govt propaganda.You can't bring yourself to what is really happening in pirin(macedonia)Bulgaria.There vital admissions from you that are missing we cannot discuss anything as your mind is allready made up.I & we see your position as typical bulgarian stance.You avoid talking about what bulgaria did in the annexation & you have the head in the sand.Ostrich approach of denial.So there are no points of argument as you come back like a victim,we have all worked you out to a T as they say.No point in discussing anything as you have a hidden agenda of denial like i said you have been worked out allready.

[Onur]

I have submitted this forum for review by several European institutions.

This is not the outback - this is Europe and as a European citizen I can't tolerate the spread of hate and lies.

This was the laugh of the day for me

Guys, we better chant the EU anthem, may the Brussels forgive us for hurting their fellow citizen of European Union?

The Real European Union National Anthem - YouTube


Btw Razor, since you are now a European citizen anymore, how about replacing your old commie statues in Bulgaria because it seems like you are kissing someone else anymore?;


monuments to soviet army, Burgas&Plovdiv