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  • Dimko-piperkata
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1876

    the first Macedonian Orthodox church in Germany

    A community of Orthodox Christians built a church in Mainz.
    It is the first Macedonian Orthodox church in Germany. The project comes without a single euro grant from the mother church or from public coffers. The site has welded together the immigrants from the former Yugoslavia and their children.

    How many hours he spent on the site, Naum Kosarkoski has never counted. "I do not work for money, but that my family stays healthy," said the electrician from the Hessian Moerfelden-Walldorf. St. Nicholas of Myra is the judge. In his honor arises amidst dismal industrial and office buildings in an industrial park in Mainz currently a Byzantine jewel - the first Macedonian Orthodox Church in Germany. Expensive than a million € financed construction of the church itself entirely from funds raised - and with the help of several volunteer construction worker.

    "We are like one big family that gets more and more children," said Mirce Filiposki, the 34-year-old community leaders. Since construction began, a whole series have reported new community members who wanted to help all. That many sponsors suddenly appeared out of nowhere and wanted to participate in the project, he still has no proper explanation. At least none that would do without divine powers. "Things are happening that are not normal," says the entrepreneur, the owner of a temporary employment agency with several hundred employees.

    To see two hexagonal towers
    Since its foundation stone was laid in the autumn of 2009 a lot has happened already on the property on the southern outskirts of Mainz. Meanwhile, two hexagonal spiers soar into the sky Rheinhessen, and also the adjacent community center, the future priest's house completed as a shell. An artist from Serbia should make in the coming years, crafted a splendid iconostasis.
    "This is the first church that we build," says Zoran Trajcev, whose company usually built apartment buildings with condominiums for German buyers. The construction manager who was previously not a practicing Christian, was the Orthodox Church on the outskirts of Mainz himself now a matter of the heart. For the work he did no more than the material costs.


    When a small group of former guest workers from the southern republic of Yugoslavia in the early 1990s in Mainz, founded a church and a Catholic chapel was true worship would come no one on the idea of ​​building ever own Macedonian church. "We thought, let's go back home," says the founding chairman Jovan Zafirovski. Today, the older Orthodox Christians, who have handed over the affairs of the community several years ago to their children, all very proud of their commitment.

    "Surprised that there are many young people so"

    Nevertheless, it is currently not clear how and when the remaining amount needed for the completion of the church comes together. Currently the municipality may be too high even as the Memorial Day celebration of its patron saint, to make of St. Nicholas, a priest from Macedonia to be flown. At such meetings, the community makes a pretense of many candles in the future church. "I was surprised that so many young people there are," says Father Fotij, a monk with a long flowing beard, who lives in a monastery in the mountains and came only for a few days from the Balkans to Germany.


    Inside the temple is still future gewerkelt strong. An artist from Serbia should make in the coming years, crafted a splendid iconostasis.

    By the will of the Macedonians to their own church, a place where the children born in Germany and grandson of the first immigrants to preserve their culture. The plan is about language and religious education for the Rhine-Main region grew third-generation immigrants. "We do not want that here in 20 years Sunday liturgy is celebrated, but no one understands a word of it," says Mirce Filiposki. At the same time to the Orthodox Church "St. Nikola" according to the will of the community once a cultural asset for all of Mainz.
    So far, the Macedonians with the city, but also have with other Christian churches in Mainz had good experiences. But it is precisely during the community festival on a Sunday afternoon, the clerk's office distributed masses of nodules on the Orthodox Christians, who in the deserted industrial area, not all parked correctly. Many leave the party so quickly again, much to the annoyance of the municipal council. He had expected that the visitors still eat thoroughly, drink, and would donate. "We do not need just any €" complains about the relentless traffic Filiposki guard.
    http://translate.google.de/translate...ne-kirche60283
    1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
    2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...
  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15661

    #2
    That is great!
    Though I am surprised such a large Macedonian community in Germany did not have one already.

    I wonder how the German Macedonians would feel if a Macedonian bishop comes to town and demands the title to the property be signed over to him now. It is exactly what is happening in Australia. (Except the Australian churches pre-date the MOC-OOOAAA)
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      #3
      I asked the same question about the canada churches i said how is it working there but not here.They said the parishioners have the sloga & all their efforts are directed towards the church.They don't ask where the money is going??
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • Dimko-piperkata
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1876

        #4
        a macedonian bishop ?
        screw it! MOC hasn´t subsidised the building in any way!
        1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
        2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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        • ProMKD
          Member
          • Oct 2011
          • 367

          #5
          I'm very surprised that this is the first church in Germany, but congratulations to our people there!
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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15661

            #6
            Originally posted by Dimko-piperkata View Post
            a macedonian bishop ?
            screw it! MOC hasn´t subsidised the building in any way!
            That won't stop them. Hasn't in Australia.

            And they wanted much more than the churches too!
            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • Brian
              Banned
              • Oct 2011
              • 1130

              #7
              Surprised? I'm shocked! What did the German Macedonians do for church services/weddings/christenings/burials ect.? I thought there were lots of Macedonians in Germany and not all in one city.

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              • Niko777
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 1895

                #8
                Originally posted by Brian View Post
                Surprised? I'm shocked! What did the German Macedonians do for church services/weddings/christenings/burials ect.? I thought there were lots of Macedonians in Germany and not all in one city.
                Aegean Macedonians probably went to the Greek churches, and Vardar Macedonians probably went to the Serbian churches.

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                • MKPrilep
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 284

                  #9
                  I live in Germany but I can say you we have no "real" macedonian churches here.
                  Most macedonians don´t live concentrated in one city.
                  So that´s the first problem.
                  And the second, no one of the macedonians here in NRW
                  wants to donate money for a church.
                  We have one church in Dortmund, but it is a converted former
                  protestant church.
                  So most of the macedonians go to the serbian church
                  in Düsseldorf.
                  They have a "real" church.



                  The greeks have also a byzantine church.





                  Even the albanians from macedonia build a mosque.




                  So it´s like always, all our neighbours can stick together,
                  only we macedonians can not.
                  But somehow I believe that we macedonians here in germany
                  are different from you in USA, Australia and Canada.

                  I´ve always admired how many churches you have.

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                  • George S.
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10116

                    #10
                    do you have the bishop wanting control of the churches or money.??
                    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                    GOTSE DELCEV

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                    • MKPrilep
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 284

                      #11
                      sorry I have no information about it.
                      I know there was a few years ago a problem with the bishop
                      and they send him back to macedonia.
                      The new one as it seems likes rakija a lot ;-)

                      I am very proud of the macedonians near Mainz and
                      of the new church.

                      Unfortunately it´s too far for us so a good friend of mine
                      will marry in the serbian church.

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                      • makedonche
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 3242

                        #12
                        MKPrilep

                        So it´s like always, all our neighbours can stick together,
                        only we macedonians can not.
                        A sad affliction we have world wide that needs urgent attention!
                        On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                        • Soldier of Macedon
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 13676

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MKPrilep View Post
                          We have one church in Dortmund, but it is a converted former protestant church. So most of the macedonians go to the serbian church in Düsseldorf.
                          So these Macedonians would rather attend a Serbian church for a Macedonian function than a Macedonian church, just because the latter was previously a protestant church? I'm sorry mate, but that is pathetic.
                          I am very proud of the macedonians near Mainz and of the new church. Unfortunately it´s too far for us so a good friend of mine will marry in the serbian church.
                          The church in Mainz is too far and the one in Dortmund isn't good enough, so they settle for a Serbian church that doesn't even recognise their own Macedonian church As a self-respecting Macedonian I could never do this.
                          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                          • Risto the Great
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15661

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                            As a self-respecting Macedonian I could never do this.
                            You're in a minority it would seem.
                            Risto the Great
                            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                            • George S.
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10116

                              #15
                              if there are no churches then there is nothing to worry about.So the Macedonian church accross the border the mother church couldn't care less as well or "doesn't have the money"">i wonder maybe it's convenient for them to go to the serbian or whatever church.I don't think is good enough reason.So what use is beinga macedonian not wanting a church???Tyhat would be relating back to the slave mindset.
                              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                              GOTSE DELCEV

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