Tito's "space program"

[George S.]

Chill out & listen to the nice music!

[Brian]

Chilll....give it a rest.

"Whatch ya gonna do when (God) comes for you?"

Inner circle - bad boys lyrics - YouTube

[Vangelovski]

Toby,

I didn't bother with your ramble, but noticed that you think its "possible". Its not "possible" in any way, shape or form. The film, when it comes out, will be full of BS with vague assertions that only an acid tripper like yourself could accept.

[Brian]

The Yugoslav guy was real - you can look him up, I did.
He was into space/rockets/missiles.
The Nazi guy who headed the USA space program was aware of the Yugoslav guy's early ideas and possibly a fan.
The USA did have problems with their early rocket technology.
Tito did go to the USA and shortly thereafter Kennedy did announce the USA's ambitious program to go to the moon before the decade was over.
Yugoslavia did show some sudden wealth and progress after the USA meeting.

Do all these facts have a link - possibly not.

They do highlight the fact in the saying 'the best lies are based on some truth'.



If you mean the kind that immediately dismiss things out of hand based on their prejudices - it appears so.

Vangelovski Post021
Yes it does Toby, you threw your usual conspiratorial acid trip into it, insinuating that there must be something to it otherwise why would the Americans 'throw so much money at them'.

LOL.LOL.LOL.
Did I at any time try to hide the point you are highlighting?

You do know when you push something beyond a joke YOU start being the joke?

The point you are highlighting was only ONE FACT amongst a LONG LIST of FACTS all of which, by their nature, DO NOT prove the matter to be true but only that it is possible - which is exactly what I said - ie the points presented in the video have enough merit to be plausible and DESERVING of our interest to await further and more conclusive proof, if there is any, instead of dismissing the matter out of hand - which is exactly what YOU did.

To now spin it I said it was absolutely true and you just proved how wrong I am, and the burning need to prove I am SO wrong, you are behaving like a dog who can't tell the difference between a real bone and a poo he did a little while ago and prepared to defend the poo tooth-and-nail. Do you know when to give it a rest?

Do you remember in another thread when you tried to make me reconcile certain facts about the USA based on the frame of your question and I said I don't need to reconcile anything because your definition was stupid? Deja vue?

By the way, do you grit your teeth when you think 'got you now' - take your hand off it.

[George S.]

i found the thread guy's admin do you want to merge them.?

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6282&highlight=space+race

thread http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ght=space+race
Who is the jackass not me???Do you beleive the whole moon landing was staged in area 51 with flags waving in the breeze & shadows in the opposite direction???

[Vangelovski]

The above evidence speaks for itself about how "more than open" I was or NOT.

Yes it does Toby, you threw your usual conspiratorial acid trip into it, insinuating that there must be something to it otherwise why would the Americans 'throw so much money at them'.

[Brian]

I think Tito did it.
I also have evidence that aliens are running Macedonia right now.

LOL. You could be right by the way Gruevski and Co. are driving the country into the ground.

[Risto the Great]

I think Tito did it.
I also have evidence that aliens are running Macedonia right now.

[Brian]

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...+space+program

Thanks for finding the thread United MKD.

Brian Post010
Maybe if you looked up the original thread you would have known I NEVER said I believed it but was open to the idea and would definitely want to see the evidence first instead of letting my prejudices and spite guide me to false assumption and conclusions and thereby make a jackass of myself - get it jackass?

Brian Post017
"Yugoslav Secret Space Program"

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6282&highlight=yugoslavia+space+program&page=2

"The video doesn't have too much detail, but if I had to guess from what was there, it sounds like Herman Potocnik had the knowledge, but like Vangelovski says, to actually do it needs a lot of things, maybe they just developed the idea further to make it more marketable and make a ton of money instead. Potocnik died in 1929 and the video says the Yugoslav space program began in 1948 to 1961. It would not be unusual for an inventor (in this case developers) to sell his idea to someone else to develop because they didn't have means and money. In the video, it says up until that time the USA could not make a successful launch. Whatever bit of knowledge they were lacking could be what the bought. Nobody gives you a ton of money for nothing. Even so called 'aid' usually has some strings attached, like a military base, yet Yugoslavia stayed neutral."

Vangelovski Post017
Toby, noone who hasn't wasted the better part of their life on acid trips would be "open to the idea". But you were more than "open" to the idea.

The above evidence speaks for itself about how "more than open" I was or NOT.

[Vangelovski]

Maybe if you looked up the original thread you would have known I NEVER said I believed it but was open to the idea and would definitely want to see the evidence first instead of letting my prejudices and spite guide me to false assumption and conclusions and thereby make a jackass of myself - get it jackass?

And stop calling me Toby ect, I think by now you would have notice significant differences in my writing and thoughts to any former member instead of focussing on a few traits in common - ie racist, lives in Australia, male, and into alternate media (all extremely common) - as your 'absolute' proof I am him.

In fact it's one of the reasons I was so hesitant to join earlier - firstly (while OziMak was still around) because of the way you treat people who are into alternate media despite there being 10's of millions around the world (look at why Vestarec left very soon after joining "no open thought" and it's a "click" even though RtG thought his writing was a "breath of fresh air") and later precisely that out of your narrow spiteful mind you would accuse me of being him (OziMak) based on just for a few basic traits in common and that I would have to deal with defending myself. If it wasn't for (as stated elsewhere) Ron Paul and how strongly I feel about the Obama deception I may have just kept on being a visitor reading, even though I wanted to join, just so I wouldn't need to deal with the hassle. Good-one guys, let's keep turning Macedonians away and do what? - hope to have unity out of disunity - the Maco way for centuries and see where that's gotten them in 2 1/2 millennia.

Toby, noone who hasn't wasted the better part of their life on acid trips would be "open to the idea". But you were more than "open" to the idea.

[United MKD]

To the jackarse that actually believed this (yes, that is a reference to you Brian/Toby), the producers have stated that its basically a hoax, a film to make money.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...s-ex-yugoslavs

Sorry, I couldn't find the original thread, but thought it was worth following up on this.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6282&highlight=yugoslavia+space+program

[Brian]

The Nazi guy you speak of was von Braun, he was brought to the US with other top Nazi scientists in an operation that was called Operation Paperclip.
Von Braun was the head of NASA for several years, ain't it a bit ironic that one of the top positions in the US administration was held by a Nazi and a former SS officer at that?

So were their nuclear and medicine areas heavily influence by the Nazis.

I have heard the scientist were ready with a nuclear bomb but bullshitted Hitler they were still working on it because they didn't want him to win and could see the war was turning against Germany and it was a matter of time before the could be free.

[Daskalot]

The Nazi guy who headed the USA space program was aware of the Yugoslav guy's early ideas and possibly a fan.

The Nazi guy you speak of was von Braun, he was brought to the US with other top Nazi scientists in an operation that was called Operation Paperclip.
Von Braun was the head of NASA for several years, ain't it a bit ironic that one of the top positions in the US administration was held by a Nazi and a former SS officer at that?

[Brian]

Is this the calibre of people we attract here...?


In addition, we have already discussed ad-nauseum the ridiculousness of Yugoslavia having a space program considering it did not have the technical, intellectual or financial capacity. Zarni, people like yourself (uninformed and sensationalist) are perfect targets for money-makers like these guys.

The Yugoslav guy was real - you can look him up, I did.
He was into space/rockets/missiles.
The Nazi guy who headed the USA space program was aware of the Yugoslav guy's early ideas and possibly a fan.
The USA did have problems with their early rocket technology.
Tito did go to the USA and shortly thereafter Kennedy did announce the USA's ambitious program to go to the moon before the decade was over.
Yugoslavia did show some sudden wealth and progress after the USA meeting.

Do all these facts have a link - possibly not.

They do highlight the fact in the saying 'the best lies are based on some truth'.

Is this the calibre of people we attract here...?

If you mean the kind that immediately dismiss things out of hand based on their prejudices - it appears so.

[Brian]

Trying to fly after a few too many bongs doesn't count as a space program Brian.

I haven't looked through the original thread but it doesn't take a genius to call bullshit here. Yugoslavia had a lot of other problems to attend to and given the circumstances they were in no position in any sense to even consider such a program. Perhaps the movie is based on Tito's dreams.

Going off memory here - I think the video never claimed Yugoslavia had means to run a space program but did have a very bright person who pioneered space knowledge which was sold to the USA whose leader of their space program (a Nazi) was a fan of the Yugoslav's (ie the person) works and ideas. The fact that Yugoslavia did not have the financial means to pull-off a space program is in NO WAY proof a Yugoslav could not have had a brilliant idea so I would have to agree that "it doesn't take a genius to call bullshit here", just a few narrow minded prejudicial people with poor logic skills which you have just adequately displayed.