Slave Mentality

[George S.]

I just thought you deserve the accolades Tom.

[Vangelovski]

Thanks George

[George S.]

Tom congrats on a topic well written on the slave mentality.It explains what is really wrong with Macedonia.Well done & congrats it definitely fills a gap along with the Macedonian cause.
(I allways refer new members to your slave mentality thread as well as the Macedonian cause thread.You get a better picture of the Macedonian status Quo of existence

[lavce pelagonski]

Does this classify as some type of slave mentality.

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[George S.]

Definitely agree with you Gocka.Welcome to our forum.The slave mentality is really everywhere in varying degrees.But we can see what it is in macedonia a catastrophe on a grand scale affecting the whole population not only in ROM but in other parts.It's kind of hard to explain because it's like a disease bought on by many different conditions.All i can say is we have to be aware of it & to those that are enslaved to give them some sort of hope at the end of the tunnel.I got congratulate people like Tom Vangelovski who has taken the trouble & bought up such a good article that explains why we macedonians are behaiving like that.Also i might like to suggest you read also the macedonian cause of which helps enlighten us of how people can be unenslaved by following the Macedonian cause.Also Gocka there are numerous press releases by the MTO released explaining what is really going on & what is going wrong in ROM.

[Gocka]

The topic of slave mentality is a very interesting one. I would say it exists in every corner of the globe in varying degrees. I would also argue that in countries where the slave mentality is is weaker the general population tends to be more productive and happier. I look at the Scandinavian countries as examples, I'm not sure what cultivates a stronger sense of personal responsibility in Scandinavia but the people in general take personal responsibility for there own well being and in many ways for the well being of their country men. Is it that they are more enlightened, educated or is it something else in their culture that sheds them of the slave mentality? I believe that maybe if we are to look around the globe and study other cultures who suffer less from this disease of slave mentality maybe we could at least find out what motivates them because in my opinion slave mentality and motivation go hand in hand. We all know Macedonia suffers deeply from this mentality but what is more important is how do you move away from it. A side note, it interesting to me how the world moved from actual enslavement to slave mentality. I would argue that in many ways actual enslavement didn't really end, it just looks different today. I'm in no way implying that today's "slavery" is comparable to the past in terms of suffering and brutality but I think the mental suffrage is still there in modern slavery. Anyway its a complicated subject with immense significance not only in Macedonia but the whole world.

[Risto the Great]

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

... Edward R. Murrow

[Risto the Great]

Just to get back on the topic of this thread, I liken the Slave Mentality to the way they train baby elephants at a young age with a chain around its foot, the elephant learns that it's fruitless to try and break the chain and resolves itself to being permanently restrianed, even when it reaches maturity and can quite easily break the shackles it remains restrained.

It happens everywhere and is a very natural process. The issue here is what (if any) is going to be the breaking point.

[George S.]

makedonche it's called conditioning in psychology.Our conditioning is to accept the status quou 7 do nothing expect others to do your thinking & action for you.As well as being equiped like everyone else to make your decisions.but due to slave mentality unable to do it.

[makedonche]

Just to get back on the topic of this thread, I liken the Slave Mentality to the way they train baby elephants at a young age with a chain around its foot, the elephant learns that it's fruitless to try and break the chain and resolves itself to being permanently restrianed, even when it reaches maturity and can quite easily break the shackles it remains restrained.

[Zarni]

I suggest you all get out of the Country and live and Macedonia for at least 6 months and do your bit to enlighten the locals a farken endless debate really

[Vangelovski]

Victor, "wordiness" does not constitute incorrect grammar. Do some basic research. Secondly, your pathetic attempt to hide your revelation that you believe Greeks in Egej have a legitimate claim to Aegean Macedonia and the logical outcome that has for the Macedonian identity, culture and history is over. I've given you plenty of leeway with your BS uninformed grammar posts, but the warning I gave you at the very beginning still stands. Keep it relevant or it will be deleted.

If you have an comments of substance (which you obviously don't) about the Framework Agreement, start a new thread.

[vicsinad]

Let's edit paragraph two...for the grammar/punctuation mistakes you and your peers missed.

The original:

"Eventually, under the guidance of the European Union representative, Francois Leotard, the NLA focussed it goals on increased collective rights within the existing Macedonian state. This became the basis for the Framework Agreement, which was reluctantly agreed to by the two largest Macedonian political parties and the two largest Albanian political parties, under pressure from the United States and the European Union. Following this, the Framework Agreement was quickly incorporated into the Macedonian Constitution as an amendment without public consultation and gradually implemented through various legislative reforms."

A better version:

"Eventually, under European Union Representative Francois Leotard's guidance, the NLA focused on increased collective rights within the existing Macedonian state. This became the basis for the Framework Agreement, which the two largest Macedonian and two largest Albanian political parties reluctantly agreed to because of United States and E.U. pressure. The Macedonian Government then incorporated, without public consultation, the Agreement into Macedonia's Constitution and gradually implemented it through legislative reforms."

Certainly, it could even be made better than this. But a good writer with a good grasp of the English language will spend as many minutes as necessary making sure each word is completely necessary and does the job better than another word or no word...especially when getting an article published. It takes time and practice, but you'll get there, Tom. You'll get there, I have faith. When you're a slave to your ego, it's hard to get things done the right way. But supposedly we all have trouble with some version of the slave mentality; hopefully you can free yourself from yours...

[vicsinad]

Believe it or not (you don't, because you only believe what suits your point of view), wordiness is a grammar issue. Thus, wordiness equates to poor grammar.

As I also explained, you don't put a plural by a singular (you don't put "they" next to "NLA" (even though it's pretty cool how they rhyme)). Most readers will understand that you meant the "they" to be associated with the "goals." However, some will be tripped up and have to take an extra second or two to re-read the beginning of that sentence...not because they have comprehension issues, but because the sentence could have used better grammar.

[Vangelovski]

Victor, other than saying that you think it would sound better, you have not actually established why you believe the sentence is grammatically incorrect. The use of words that do not necessarily need to be there does not in and of itself make the sentence grammatically incorrect. This is your biggest problem - you pretend to know what you're on about when you clearly don't.

Further, regardless of your claim, your whole post, by failing to make a case for grammatical error and relying only on your personal preference for conciseness is a demonstration of your backtracking.