What can you do?

[Vangelovski]

Sorry, George this is not true, the flag was sold by Gligorov and no longer available (see attempted assassination). Can, he be sued? Yes, 100%

MK, I'm not sure whether you actually believe what you just posted or you did so in jest, but it causes confusion in relation to critical issues of national importance. The sonce has not been sold in a commercial sense, it is not "unavailable" and Gligorov cannot be 'sued'.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

The fact is they can reject it at any time.THat's what people fail to realise that they could have refused & they still can & say the people will not stand up to for it.

Sorry, George this is not true, the flag was sold by Gligorov and no longer available (see attempted assassination). Can, he be sued? Yes, 100%. Also, the flag may be used by every Macedonian organization and church in diaspora countries - only applies to ROM.

[George S.]

In a democratic society one of the expressions people have is the exercise of freedom.Freedom to identify who they are.
freedom to associate with one another.
freedom to nurtue & establish proper & full human rights.(not to the dertiment odf existing macedonian citizens.)
freedom from tyranny & oppression.
The people in macedonia must realise they don't have to have the slave mentality they are free to speak out.
Freedom of speech is the necessary requisite & must be encouraged.
We must also seek support from like minded freedom loving people around the world.
World support is necessary to win the overall recognition of macedonia.

[George S.]

1. Name we shouldn't discuss this as it weakens our stance.
2. Human rights,we should discuss this as a lot of countries aren't giving macedonians their full rights.This applies to losing macedonian soveregnity from within to appease political elements to cooperate.
3. Flag.this should be changed to what it was before the macedonian sun flag.

[George S.]

the vewntilator is an imposed flag on the people & it is in ignorance to historic legacy that only macedonians used that symbol..The fact is they can reject it at any time.THat's what people fail to realise that they could have refused & they still can & say the people will not stand up to for it.THe real flag is the macedonian sun not the ventilator which is a flag of capitulation.I The greeks are trying to prevent the real macedonians from using it.By doing this it is trying to say no macedonians that the greeks are the macedonians & so anything macedonian is forwarded to them.have asked many people in macedonia is they know it's not the real flag or the kutlesh sun they know the govt was told to change it & they said how high ventilator style.
People fail to realise the flag is supposed to represent freedom of democracy,human rights etc not what some idiot in a bureacracy dreams up.The sooner the people reject it the better for everyone.

[Vangelovski]

Which makes for very positive symbolism.

the symbolism of this symbolic act symbolises far more than symbolism itself can symbolise.

[Risto the Great]

It is an actual act of exercising our freedom...if that makes sense.

Which makes for very positive symbolism.

[Vangelovski]

Rejecting the ventilator is not just a 'symbolic' act. It is an actual act of exercising our freedom...if that makes sense.

[Risto the Great]

The, most important issues concerning Macedonains in diaspora ..

1. Name
2. Human rights
3. Flag
1,913 - Annual conferences aka wine and cheese parties

I find it hard to disagree.
But the symbolism of rejecting the symbol is far too symbolic to not make a priority. With strong acts of symbolism, a change or revolution of the mind may occur.

I know, that was an awful lot of "symbol" going on in that last paragraph.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

So many frustrated Macedonians who are unable to express their frustration with Macedonia's plight. The erosion of our homeland's sovereignty is overwhelming. What can you do about it? Well, there is any number of things but can I suggest one symbolic action from all our Macedonian contributors. Please reject the Ventilator flag at every opportunity. It has the potential to snowball into so many more positives for Macedonia.

Think about it.

The, most important issues concerning Macedonians in diaspora ..

1. Name
2. Human rights
3. Flag
1,913 - Annual conferences aka wine and cheese parties

[blackcactus]

We need an organized movement that supports the reintroduction of the Macedonian Sun symbol.

I agree

I have mentioned this before, but what the hell, one thing that could be done is have a 'Bring back the Flag Day'

There are many ideas that could be used, but without some organisation only a few could be realized

[Phoenix]

We need an organized movement that supports the reintroduction of the Macedonian Sun symbol.

A movement that has broad support by well known Macedonian identities around the world. Many (most?) in the diaspora already favour the original flag, its still often used within Macedonia but the momentum needs to buid so that the younger generations are aware of its significance to the concept of true Macedonian sovereignty and as THE uniting symbol for all Macedonians in the republic and the diaspora.

[The LION will ROAR]

Majority of the Macedonians outside of Macedonia has rejected the ventilator...
It is the Macedonians in the republic that needs to be educated in what the new flag stands for.

[vojnik]

I love how when the Macedonian Embassder came to Australia "Pero Stojanoski" his immediate reaction in Queanbeyan was asking us to remove the real flag of Macedonia from our community centre and replace it with the ventilator and when Gruevski came we were told not to bring out the real flag yet I still brought mine along and waved it with a friend. F*ck the Greek ventilator!!

[George S.]

you just got to reject that crap.