Originally posted by Bij
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In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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we are getting the same tired excuses.for the use of the ventilator.People are simply too apolegetic about the ventilator.We are getting peole wanting to sit on both sides of the fence.Some people are saying we should do this or that.i say we can't be all things to all people we can only be to some people.At the moment we are trying to convert the govt of macedonia.If we can just do that the rest will fall into place.The type of flag macedonia uses does matter it is either the flag of capitulation which is the ventilator.We are getting heaps of excuses of why we are using it.Or the flag of choice & freedom which is the macedonian sun the sonce.I know which i would want.If the macedonian cause is to use the right name as in the constitution & use of the rgight flag which is for the cause."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by Bij View PostOh. Is that so? Here I was thinking you just hated females.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostBij, you should always care about the flag and constitution. That doesn't mean you can't rub the win in the face of Greeks, but in an event like that where the world is watching we should never lose sight of the bigger picture than the game - the Macedonian Cause. I probably wouldn't use the same term that Vangelovski is using for you, but by definition he is correct in saying that you're flip-flopping on the issue if you can't be consistent. You can understand that, can't you"? You do see the paramount importance of being consistent, don't you?
BTW I like your method of approach much better.
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Originally posted by Bij View PostYes, yes, I get it. I said something naive in a euphoric state of happiness which has been hashed and rehashed. You're right, it's inconsistent. My words on this forum are inconsistent with my actions IRL which have a zero tolerance policy. YES it's paramount to be consistent.
I'm just going to have to become angrier at the world
BTW I like your method of approach much better.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostI am glad you see it that way.
No, you don't have to become angrier, just more measured and consistent when it relates to the Macedonian Cause.
I know. Sometimes it is hard to accept criticism even when it is constructive, and it is also hard to hold back 'inaet' which leads to comments one doesn't really mean. Add that to the fact that people cannot always adequately gauge sentiment on an internet forum and it can quickly lead to heated debate. If most of you met in person, you wouldn't be as ruthless to each other, and you would also be able to notice the demeanour of others.
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Originally posted by Bij View PostI wholeheartedly agree with you, but if you are referring to Vangelovski as "constructive criticism" then I think you are nuts. but that's a debate I don't want to get into.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostVangelovski has his own style, it can be considered very direct and blunt, but he doesn't go on the attack against people as soon as they enter the forum. After a while how 'constructive' can the criticism be if the recipient isn't willing to see the logic in the message? Some of you are attacking his 'manner' while he is attacking your (lack of) 'consistency'. When it really boils down to it, which characteristic is more important for the Macedonian Cause?
whatevs. would rather watch the AFL grand final than discuss his mannerisms
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I never said it was OK to attack people, but it's not like the people he is attacking aren't attacking him either. Don't deliberately misconstrue my words, you know exactly what I meant, the Macedonian Cause needs people to be consistent first and foremost, not nice. You can all work on your approach to each other if you ask me.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Bij View Postare any of the other admins females?
If you can't do either, then I'm about to show you how "harsh" I can actually be when I want to as opposed to the moddly coddling I've been giving you to date.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Here is a short overview of one of the flip-flops that I have been talking about. In this instance, we will look at Bij.
Some here either can’t see it, or don’t want to see it, but Bij is ideologically flawed. Now, we are left with two possibilities:
a) She’s not really all that well versed; or
b) She’s is one of those regular flip-flops who uses dirty tactics to blunt the MTO Inc. message.
What are those dirty tactics? Well, it kinda goes like this. They apologise for one of Macedonia’s capitulations and when they are questioned on it, they try to throw sand in everyone’s eyes by claiming that they have been “attacked” and “insulted”, all the while they are the ones who are personally attacking and insulting other posters. Why do they do this? To try and derail topics which they see as threats to their own ideas. Lets look at Bij as the latest example.
Below is her very first post dealing with the ventilator debate in the Basketball thread:
Originally posted by Bij View PostTake a valium and sit in a corner somewhere and weep over the ventilator, you fruit loop.
You want unity for the Macedonian people yet you are only dividing them on this forum.
Loser.
Originally posted by Bij View PostI could answer all of your questions with an honest, heartfelt response about the flag, patriotism and why you're wrong but others have tried that and all you do is keep ruining this happy thread with your bullshit and repeating yourself over and over again.
So all I have to say is ...
SHUT THE FUCK UP
Originally posted by Bij View PostAre you certifiably insane yet or are they still testing you?Originally posted by Bij View PostOK I'll play your little game if it helps you jerk off at night
Greece can't change what's in my heart and mind. They can try to, will try to and have tried to, but they'll never succeed. I'm sure every other person you've insulted in this thread feels the exact same way as I do.
The flag, name and constitution are superfluous to me. The feelings I get when Macedonia smash Greece in an international tournament like Euro Basketball are far superior to a patch on their jerseys.
I have a question for you now, you pest. Did your mum not give you enough love as a child?
Originally posted by Bij View PostLOL Ok sugar puff. I'll let my ignorance keep me warm at night while you play internet warrior with your ventilator vengeance (sounds like a good movie title if you ask me).
Originally posted by Bij View PostThis is why you're a fuckwit. You're so quick to attack and make little to no effort to have a constructive conversation with someone, odma pocna so "Aussie Macedonians don't just sit on their butts complaining" - who the fuck is complaining? If you want to be an activist, you need to stop attacking and start explaining. You obviously have a lot of knowledge and passion on the topic, put it in the right place and stop being such a fucking jerk. I feel like draping myself in the ventilator za inaet because you're such a douche bag, but don't worry, I wont.
Originally posted by Bij View Postand pray tell what exactly you're doing away from insulting people on this forum about the ventilator?
Originally posted by Bij View PostI've read enough of you jumping on everyone. If that's what passes as "activism" nowadays, no wonder Macedonia is where it is.Originally posted by Bij View PostSorry, this forum is not teenager friendly. This forum is a full of anger, spite, prejudice and is a place teamed with full blown nutjobs and a lot of repeated information. It's sad that this masks a lot of great information on this forum. VERY SAD. The forum will only appeal to a small percentage of people who may understand or get something out of it and will scare off 99% of people who do not want to be attacked for not knowing everything or wanting to ask a question.
I will add that I don't think this is a bad place. I mean, I'm still posting here, aren't I?
Mods - do you think the forum appeals to the general Macedonian? Do you not see how intimidating it can be to post here?
Originally posted by Bij View Postinstead of being a prick to everyone on the forum, how about you put together a 500-1000 word article on what the ventilator means and how every day macedonians can be proactive about eliminating it without being considered extremists?
anyway enough of your mood swings - come on mods, be a little progressive. Run a Macedonian Youth Organisation parallel to this site!
Originally posted by Bij View PostDid your mum wash your masturbating sock? Is that why you're so cranky and irrational?Originally posted by Bij View PostV, the twat "jumped" first. I was just putting on my "thick skin" [IMG]file:///C:/Users/Tom/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
Originally posted by Bij View Postwhat did you say about skin?
Originally posted by Bij View PostOk let's all admit things have gotten out of hand and hug and make up.
This forum, although overrun by testosterone, is a great wealth of information and I've spent hours upon hours on here reading articles and info.
I personally think the efforts of some members are misguided and yes Tom I feel you are incredibly rude to people who fundamentally agree with you but differ on approach but c'est la vie. If I wasn't up for the debate, I would stop posting.
Rather than arguing let's put some goals in to place. I know the first post explains the mto position on the flag, let's better articulate it and start spreading it to websites that use the flag and appeal to them to stop. I think this would be a good start.
Originally posted by Bij View PostOh. Is that so? Here I was thinking you just hated females.Originally posted by Bij View Postare any of the other admins females?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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And ...... The ventilator is bad because it is an extension of the Interim Accord. Macedonians were forced to get rid of their flag & gave it up willingly. Now some Macedonians love it. They are stupid, pushing an agenda contrary to the Macedonian Cause or misinformed. There is hope for the misinformed.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Vangelovski, why are you writing in third person? Are you addressing these issues with me or are you writing my MTO biography?
If you are, I think you missed my birth place, early childhood, teenage years, and well, everything prior to the month of September 2011.
FYI, my favourite food is shopska salata. Just in case you wanted to know.
If we're going to play fairy tales, let's start right at the beginning of this one, shall we?
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostI've tried to refrain from commenting on this thread but, I feel I must.
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostWhile I send my congratulations to the team that beat Greece, I regret that the said team was not Macedonia. Many of the posters seem to have been misinformed. It was a country called FYR Macedonia that beat Greece. It was a country that sewed the ventilator onto its uniform.
What I really like about your posts Vangelovski is your use of the same catch phrase, 'showing your true colours' and your verbatim use of putting words in other peoples posts that don't really exist, just to fit the hysteria you have in your mind.
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostSo now you're back to accepting FYROM and the ventilator because they won a basketball game? So long as you know who you are, it doesn't matter what your called officially or what flag you fly, is that right? You see Bill, eventually everyone shows their true colours.
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostBill77, you're totally missing the point. But while you stick that image up in your bedroom, remember to chant FYROM because they are two sides of the same coin. A more relevant caption would have been, "Koga nemozes da si Makedonec, Firomec e dovolno".
I think its time for another one of those discussions on the slave mentality. Some are falling off the wagon again.
HEY this is starting to get fun! Let's see what else Vangelovski has said...
Here in begins Vangelovski's first real attack - it's a female, ofcourse.
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostYou're unacceptable. I'm not sure what it is you don't understand. Greece forced us to change our flag. Now you think that the forced flag, which basically means Greece controls us, is something good. Somehow you think black is white, up is down and back is forward. TELL us WHY you think its fine to have a flag that Greece forced us to have? Tell us WHY you think Macedonians should be proud about the fact that Greece forced us to change our flag.
Even when your back is been whipped your selling it like a victory! Good little slave girl.
Please note, the expression "Good little slavegirl". Why point out the sex? Why refer to a full grown woman as a girl? Why be so patronising?
Yet in rare moments, Vangelovski shows a lot of respect for the men on this forum.
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostDear MTO Members,
I would like to apologise to Bill77 for calling him a number of names in a post that I have now withdrawn. Bill77 did not deserve those terms used against him. I thank a younger and much wiser man for pointing that out to me. He know's who he is.
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostWake up to yourself.
P.S. Try and make some sense while your at it.
Well I can't make this all about the one female. Let's see how Vangelovski treats other females on the forum.
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostI've seen it Julie. What point are you trying to make?
But the attack on Julie continues unprovoked!!!!!
Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostHow is using the ventilator tyring? That's just doing what the Greeks want them to do. Trying is when you use the sonce.Originally posted by VangelovskiYou're typical of the slave - you go off into a fantasy world to try and drown out the pain of the whip and then convince yourself that the straps on your back don't really mean anything - so long as your fantasy world remains in tact in your own mind.
I take it you are of the opinion that it doesn't matter what Greece and Macedonia's vassal politicians change, as long as you "know who you are". Good girl.
More examples of Vangelovski patronising and attacking the females of the forum:
You'll need more than ignorance to keep you warm and more than fantasy to stop the pain of those lashes.You are seriously deranged if you think Macedonians chose the ventilator. You are even more deranged if you think Macedonians chose to change the sonce.
I think we need to keep this post of yours for posterity.You really are pathetic Jankovska.That's how stupid of a claim you have just made.What a genius you are!!!! You really got me this time!!!This is a massive conspiracy you've uncovered!!!! You're really onto us now!You're making a fool of yourself Jankovska, you obviously don't know what a blogspot is - its basically an online personal diary. He can post whatever he likes on there and noone can stop him.
But this is all just another smokescreen for your own ideologically flawed stance. You have accepted Greece's domination over Macedonia. Worse yet, you are trying to get others to accept it as well!
What are those dirty tactics? Well, it kinda goes like this. They apologise for one of Macedonia’s capitulations and when they are questioned on it, they try to throw sand in everyone’s eyes by claiming that they have been “attacked” and “insulted”, all the while they are the ones who are personally attacking and insulting other posters. Why do they do this? To try and derail topics which they see as threats to their own ideas.
/sarcasm
Vangelovski, if my aim was to sit on MTO and use "dirty tactics" to taint the Macedonian cause, wouldnt I have done this 2 years ago when I joined rather than now? Why wait two years before putting my "agenda" out there?
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Bij, your sinking into irrelevance. I never stated that I have not insulted anyone. In fact, I consistently apologise if anyone feels they have genuienly been insulted by me. You're claims to sexism are quite ridiculous and you have not provided any evidence that would stand up in court. All you have done if put further words into my mouth, which is defamatory in itself. I speak to you and Jankovska in the same manner that I speak to everyone else here. Just because I refer to you as a 'girl' and others as 'boys', that is not sexism. Its a simple statement of fact.
But all this just corroborates what I have been saying. You are still throwing sand in everyone's eyes to try and cover your ideological flaws. You clearly stated that you consider my ideological views wrong, meaning you must also logically disagree with those of the MTO Inc., because they are identical:
Originally posted by Bij View PostI could answer all of your questions with an honest, heartfelt response about the flag, patriotism and why you're wrong but others have tried that and all you do is keep ruining this happy thread with your bullshit and repeating yourself over and over again.
So all I have to say is ...
SHUT THE FUCK UPIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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