Ventilator

[Big Bad Sven]

This was already done, why do it again? Are we such pushovers that we will hold a referendum every time someone has a problem with what we are called? Why do you think it's acceptable or needed it to do it again?

Bingo,

We already had a refferendum and it was decided what we wanted to call our country.

Are we required to have a refferendum every couple of years when one of our idiot neighbours has a problem with our identity?

Gee we must look like fools and weakilings if we need to have a refferendum every ten years to decide what we want to call our people, language and country....

[Prolet]

YouTube - Одбележан Денот на знамето

[indigen]

Images from 2001

http://s995.photobucket.com/albums/af80/inidgen2010/?action=view&current=LAVOVI.jpg

Macedonian Lions serving under the Macedonian Sun - Symbol of Resistance, Defiance, National Identity and Macedonian Pride and Glory.


The other Lions (that talked much but showed little action).


26 June, 2001 Protest following Arachinovo debacle.


26 June, 2001 Protest


Makedonsko sonce cover page of broj 366 and covering the above protest.



Makedonski Forum 2001, a Macedonian political movement advocating opposition and resistance to the imposition of the "Ramkoven dogovor".


Ramkovist Traitors - LjuBcho Georgievski (Tataromanski) and Branko Crvenkovski (Gragjanoidski ODROD).

[Bratot]

Церемонија на промена на знамето пред владата29.05.2010 14:50



Ден на знаме, пред владата беше одржана церемонија на промена на државното знаме. Со оваа новина Македонија влезе во групата на 14 земји во светот кои имаат ваква пракса.

„Ми се допаѓа, многу е добро, многу е интересно.

-Прекрасно, премногу сум задоволен, во иднина ова треба да биде традиција.

-Феноменално, одлично“, велат граѓани.

Од каде се информиравте дека денес ќе биде денот на знамето?

-Следиме весници, се интересираме гледаме, одговара граѓани.


Video:

http://a1.com.mk/vesti/video.asp?Video=10/irina-29-05.wmv&VestID=123678

[aleksandrov]

As if it is not shameful enough that "our" state allowed our oppressors to desecrate our freely chosen flag by imposing another in its place, it now "proudly" celebrates the treason on a regular basis. There is no more perfect slave than one who happily interprets his subjection to an oppressor as something dignified.

We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect. Ambrose Bierce

One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny. Bertrand Russell

[Bratot]

Bravo Pandev for promoting Macedonia!

[TrueMacedonian]

Yes Bravo Pandev

[Soldier of Macedon]

Bratot and TM, Pandev is holding the new flag because it is the official one of the state, but the morons in the government are disgracefully celebrating the new flag and the day it was forcefully introduced, in place of the original and freely chosen flag.

[Bratot]

http://rock-art.mk/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=4&Itemid=3&lang=mk

Just came into this so I said why not to post it here.


Lets compare the characteristics:







The flag of the Republic of Macedonia is
1. red with gold-yellow sun.
2. The sun has eight main and

difference :eight secondary sunrays,
reverse :mildly thickened in the first half,
alternatively and symmetrically arranged around the sun disc.
4. The main sunrays are emerging from the sun disc, and the final external periphery of the Sun.

[indigen]

Nikola Gruevski comes out on the name issue

Q10. Does Grujo promote the SYMBOL of TREASON and CAPITULATION - The VENTILATOR "STATE FLAG" with pomp and ceremony and sponsors spin-doctors to spin delusional stories about its supposedly ancient origin and design inspiration (which can not be found in the period of 1995-1998, in the time of the rule of the original designers – SDSM!)?


Original Grchev stylised design flag
Its relation to ancient rock art (and similar theories) is to be found only in the delusions of the current supporters of the SDSM Ventilator and the spin-doctors trying to drum up support for it use!

* Љубчо Георгиевски спроти изборите во 1998 година јавно се откажа од 16-зрачното сонце во интервјуто за "Нова Македонија", изјавувајќи дека нема да го врати


Stariot partiski grb na VMRO-DPMNE


Obezlicheniot i segashen grb na VMRO-DPMNE

Shto da ochekuvame od RAMKOVISTI? Totalna DEKONSTRUCIJA na makedonskata nacija i drzhava, do izbrishuvanje na entitetot Makedonci, e toa shto jas predividuvam kje bide (ne)deloto na RAMKOVISTITE!

Further reference reading at links below for those who don't know about the dirty deeds that led to Macedonia CAPITULATING and SURRENDERING its one and only SOVEREIGN FLAG:

Interim Accord

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3767

INTERIM ACCORD MACEDONIA-GREECE, 1995
http://www.mfa.gov.mk/default1.aspx?ItemID=394

[Bratot]

You start acting as someone here denies our 16 rayed flag, which is nonsense itself.

Its relation to ancient rock art (and similar theories) is to be found only in the delusions of the current supporters of the SDSM Ventilator and the spin-doctors trying to drum up support for it use!

By overruned paranoia of "ramkovisti" on every step and putting the existence of Macedonian entity ancillary on the flag from Kutlesh which was never before used as the souvereign flag of Macedonians and as such could not be used in order to justify the Macedonian continuity, inbreeding the particular form of one flag with our whole genuine existance, you are going into the madness of causing paradoxal dissolution of our cultural symbolism.

Article 7, Paragraph 2.
Upon entry into force of this Interim Accord, the Party of the Second Part [Macedonia] shall cease to use in any way the symbol [the "Sun of Vergina"] in all its forms displayed on its national flag prior to such entry into force.

means only 'a cease' which personally you can or don't have to agree on, but making the current flag be "SYMBOL of TREASON and CAPITULATION" therefore you agreed with such terminology to be practiced, but for me personally the new flag ensured a form of preserving the genuine Macedonian characteur in accordance with the temporarly political conditions, to point of making it just ANOTHER form of the symbol that represents Macedonia and Macedonians as many of them were in use in our general history.

It's me myself who attach Macedonian characteur and purpose of the flag, not opposite, it's me who will wave it when Macedonians achieve a success in all fields, it's us to turn this flag into a victory symbol.

And this is not a call to cease using the old flag, nor a deny, but simply a sincere message not to attribute negative context of it's use.

something for you to think(jerk) of:






As if one flag can provide one man decentness .. instead of the contrary.

[Prolet]

The Macedonian Flag was used in a Greek Protest recently

[Soldier of Macedon]

What sort of a protest was it Prolet? Are you the guy holding the flag?

[Prolet]

SOM, They love our flag lol

It was a football protest in the end.

[Frank]

The Macedonian Flag

I aint trying to win an argument but will like to post some interesting background on the Current State Flag yes it come to us through a push but the fact remains Macedonians in the Republic hold it dear.

http://my.opera.com/ancientmacedonia/blog/macedonian-sun-makedonsko-sonce

http://www.culture.in.mk/story.asp?id=1901