Originally posted by TrueMacedonian
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If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostNow your scaring me. A name and flag are both equally important symbols of that national identity. Why is it that one of those essential symbols can be thrown by the wayside and the other not? Why one symbol and not the other? Is your name more important to you than your face? Or are they equally important?
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Originally posted by osiris View Postalexandrov i know what you mean and i agree your point that we were forced to change to deny us any links with the ancients is valid, but in 50 years time if we still have this flag what will it symbolize then a political compromise or strong stylized version of an ancient symbol.
"The Union Jack in the upper left quadrant of the Australian flag is an historical reminder that Australia was settled by the British. It represents Australia's relationship with Britain as a member of the Commonwealth and also as the parent nation..."
So what will the current 'Macedonian' flag of OPPRESSION AND SUBSERVIENCE be a historical reminder of in 50 years time, at least to those who know their history?All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
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well i am sorry i surprised you vangelovski but i dont think i mentioned the interim accord anywhere
i was speaking of the situation our politicians found themselves in and why some of them acted as they did at that time.
if you interpret it to mean i support everything they did so be it, but thats no what i wrote its how you interpreted it.
this thread was about the ventilator wasnt it.
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Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View PostLet's ask the Macedonians in the Republic if they feel the same way. Do you think they do? And if they do then why haven't they organized and held a country-wide protest every single day since the inception of the new flag? I don't doubt there are alot of Macedonians in the Republic who prefer to recognize the 16 ray. But where are their voices? Why haven't they gotten in the governments face and demanded their flag back? Or is this too much to ask of them considering they live under the new flag everyday?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View PostLet's ask the Macedonians in the Republic if they feel the same way. Do you think they do? And if they do then why haven't they organized and held a country-wide protest every single day since the inception of the new flag? I don't doubt there are alot of Macedonians in the Republic who prefer to recognize the 16 ray. But where are their voices? Why haven't they gotten in the governments face and demanded their flag back? Or is this too much to ask of them considering they live under the new flag everyday?All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
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Originally posted by osiris View Postwell i am sorry i surprised you vangelovski but i dont think i mentioned the interim accord anywhere
i was speaking of the situation our politicians found themselves in and why some of them acted as they did at that time.
if you interpret it to mean i support everything they did so be it, but thats no what i wrote its how you interpreted it.
this thread was about the ventilator wasnt it.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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but you think its too harsh to call it a ventilator????
I think we should try to consistently call it something like the FLAG OF OPPRESSION AND SUBSERVIENCE.Makedonija vo Srce
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostEverything you just said, same goes for FYROM and the constitution. Now, why the double standard?
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Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View PostThe name issue is a whole other subject which does parallel with the flag but is much much more complicated. The Macedonian people are victims of alot of things but we cannot sit here and blame a few select individuals for removing the flag. Macedonians should do whatever it takes to get that symbol back if they want it back that bad. But where's their patriotism? Keep blaming the interim accord all you want. If over one million people don't do anything about it then they are to blame as well.
Your missing the point - if you argue that the flag is legitimate because "noone is doing anything about it", then the same goes for FYROM and the constitution. Why is it that you do not accept FYROM, yet you accept the ventilator? How is it that you can seperate the two? They came from the SAME treasonous Interim Accord. Why the double-standard? Or does it just "feel" right?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Volk View PostYes, the design was not handed to us, we chose it ourselves and it has certain relevance.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostTM,
Your missing the point - if you argue that the flag is legitimate because "noone is doing anything about it", then the same goes for FYROM and the constitution. Why is it that you do not accept FYROM, yet you accept the ventilator? How is it that you can seperate the two? They came from the SAME treasonous Interim Accord. Why the double-standard? Or does it just "feel" right?
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vangelovski i can separate it because my values are probably different to yours, i find somethings more important than others and in my opinion a flag is not worth jeopardizing a whole nations existence.
but let me ask you what would you have done if you were our leader and what do you think the consequences of your decision may have been
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