Tweet
Originally posted by TrueMacedonian
View Post
-
Everything you just said, same goes for FYROM and the constitution. Now, why the double standard?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams -
Let's ask the Macedonians in the Republic if they feel the same way. Do you think they do? And if they do then why haven't they organized and held a country-wide protest every single day since the inception of the new flag? I don't doubt there are alot of Macedonians in the Republic who prefer to recognize the 16 ray. But where are their voices? Why haven't they gotten in the governments face and demanded their flag back? Or is this too much to ask of them considering they live under the new flag everyday?Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostComment
-
If you were an Aboriginal Australian of the Christian faith, would you accept the current 'Australian' flag only because of how long it's been around, because it is inspired by or similar to a general Christian symbol, and because it has the Southern Cross alongside the Union Jack?Originally posted by osiris View Post
"The Union Jack in the upper left quadrant of the Australian flag is an historical reminder that Australia was settled by the British. It represents Australia's relationship with Britain as a member of the Commonwealth and also as the parent nation..."
So what will the current 'Macedonian' flag of OPPRESSION AND SUBSERVIENCE be a historical reminder of in 50 years time, at least to those who know their history?All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
https://www.facebook.com/igor.a.aleksandrov?ref=tn_tnmnComment
-
well i am sorry i surprised you vangelovski but i dont think i mentioned the interim accord anywhere
i was speaking of the situation our politicians found themselves in and why some of them acted as they did at that time.
if you interpret it to mean i support everything they did so be it, but thats no what i wrote its how you interpreted it.
this thread was about the ventilator wasnt it.Comment
-
Again, you could say exactly the same about FYROM or the Constitution or the Framework Agreement. Why the double standard? Why is the flag different from the other capitulation in the Interim Accord? Why not apply that argument to all the capitulations and any impending capitulations?Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
-
That's like asking why the Macedonians under Ottoman rule didn't constantly rebel and hold a permanent insurrection over five centuries of slavery.Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View PostAll truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
https://www.facebook.com/igor.a.aleksandrov?ref=tn_tnmnComment
-
alexandrov i dont think the comparison of the australia flag and its relationship to the indigenous australians and ours with the ventilator is valid.Comment
-
Again, how do you seperate the ventilator from the rest of the Interim Accord? Its part of the package deal. Why the ventilator and not FYROM. How can you isolate one from the other?Originally posted by osiris View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
-
Yes, the design was not handed to us, we chose it ourselves and it has certain relevance.but you think its too harsh to call it a ventilator????
If that particular flag was imposed on us (we chose it) then I would completely agree with you.I think we should try to consistently call it something like the FLAG OF OPPRESSION AND SUBSERVIENCE.Makedonija vo SrceComment
-
The name issue is a whole other subject which does parallel with the flag but is much much more complicated. The Macedonian people are victims of alot of things but we cannot sit here and blame a few select individuals for removing the flag. Macedonians should do whatever it takes to get that symbol back if they want it back that bad. But where's their patriotism? Keep blaming the interim accord all you want. If over one million people don't do anything about it then they are to blame as well.Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostComment
-
Are you calling the Macedonians within the Republic of Macedonia slaves?Originally posted by aleksandrov View PostComment
-
TM,Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
Your missing the point - if you argue that the flag is legitimate because "noone is doing anything about it", then the same goes for FYROM and the constitution. Why is it that you do not accept FYROM, yet you accept the ventilator? How is it that you can seperate the two? They came from the SAME treasonous Interim Accord. Why the double-standard? Or does it just "feel" right?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
-
You just called it rape.Originally posted by Volk View PostIf my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John AdamsComment
-
Well there isn't any double standard done intentionally. The people make the country. But when they are silent and do nothing then they are allowing this to happen. However, the new flag is justified by the fact that the people not only are doing nothing to get the old flag back, but they are even referring it as the symbol that represents their nation, which they themselves call the Republic of Macedonia. Maybe it just "feels" right to them.Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostComment
-
vangelovski i can separate it because my values are probably different to yours, i find somethings more important than others and in my opinion a flag is not worth jeopardizing a whole nations existence.
but let me ask you what would you have done if you were our leader and what do you think the consequences of your decision may have beenComment
Comment