Black Athena VOL 3

[VMRO]

Does anybody have the pdf ebook for Black Athena Vol 3?

[VMRO]

Anybody???

[Daskalot]

Is there a volume 3 published? Thought there were only two.

[George S.]

Volume 3
Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization, Volume III: The Linguistic Evidence Vol 3 (Hardcover) Rutgers University Press (25 Nov 2006) ISBN 0-8135-3655-3 ISBN 978-0813536552
Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization, Volume III: The Linguistic Evidence Free Association Books (1 Feb 2006) ISBN 1-8534-3799-9 ISBN 978-1853437991
[edit]Books and articles about Black Athena

Black Athena 2: History without Rules. Robert L. Pounder The American Historical Review, Vol. 97, No. 2 (Apr., 1992), pp. 461–464 doi:10.2307/2165728.
Mary R. Lefkowitz, Not Out of Africa: How Afrocentrism Became an Excuse to Teach Myth As History, 1997, ISBN 046509838X ISBN 978-0465098385
Mary R. Lefkowitz and Guy MacLean Rogers (eds.), Black Athena Revisited, 1996., ISBN 0807845558 ISBN 978-0807845554
Mary R. Lefkowitz, History Lesson, 2008, ISBN 030012659X ISBN 978-0300126594
Martin Bernal, Black Athena Writes Back: Martin Bernal Responds to His Critics, 2001.
Walter Slack, White Athena: The Afrocentrist Theft of Greek Civilization, 2006, ISBN 0595393209 ISBN 978-0595393206
Jacques Berlinerblau, Heresy in the University: The Black Athena Controversy and the Responsibilities of American Intellectuals, 1999, ISBN 0813525888 ISBN 978-0813525884
M. Skupin. "Anacalypsis II: A review of Black Athena Vol. I and II by Martin Bernal." Epigraphic Society Occasional Publications, Vol. 20 (1991), p. 28-29.
[edit]Selected publications
What follows is a list of relevant publications listed on the www.blackathena.com website.
1976 Chinese Socialism Before 1907, Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press.
1987 Black Athena The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization 1: The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985. London: Free Association Books. and New Brunswick: Rutgers University.
1988 "The British Utilitarians, Imperialism and the Fall of the Ancient Model," Culture and History 3: 98-127.
1989 "Classics in Crisis: An Outsider's View In," Classics: A Discipline and Profession in Crisis? Ed. P. Culham and L. Edmunds. University Press of America. pp. 67–76.
"Black Athena and the APA." in "The Challenge of Black Athena" Special issue of Arethusa. pp. 17–37.
1990 "Responses to Critical Reviews of Black Athena: Volume I: in the Journal of Mediterranean Archaeology 3/1:111- 137.
Cadmean Letters: The Westward Diffusion of The Semitic Alphabet Before 1400 B.C. Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns.
1991 Black Athena 2: The Archaeological and Documentary Evidence. London, Free Association Books; New Brunswick: Rutgers University.
1992 "Animadversions on the Origins of Western Science," Isis 83, 4 (December): 596-607.
1993 "Response", to "Dialogue: Martin Bernal's Black Athena." Journal of Women's History 4.3, (Winter):119-135.
"Phoenician Politics and Egyptian Justice in Ancient Greece." in Kurt Raaflaub ed. Anfänge politischen Denkens in der Antike: nahöstliochen Kulturen und die Griechen. Schriften des Historischen Kollegs. Kolloquien 24. München: R. Oldenbourg Verlag. pp. 241–252.
"Reply to L. A. Trittle," Liverpool Classical Monthly 18.2: whole issue.
1994 "Response to Robert Palter," History of Science 32:1-20.
1995 "Race, Class and Gender in the Formation of The Aryan Model of Greek Origins." South Atlantic Quarterly. 94.4. (Fall): 987-1008.
"Politically Correct: Mythologies of Neo-Conservatism in the American Academy," New Political Science. 38/39:17-28.
1997 "Responses to Black Athena." Black Athena: Ten Years After. Special edition of Talanta vols. 28 and 29. pp. 65–99, 165-173 and 209-219.
2005 "Martin Bernal," by Kinohi Nishikawa. The Greenwood Encyclopedia of African American Literature. Ed. Hans Ostrom and J. David Macey, Jr. 5 vols. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press. 114-15.
Journal of Arethusa.[page needed]
[edit]See also

Afrocentrism
Pre-Greek substrate
Sethos
[edit]Notes

^ Marsh, Herbert (2009). Horae Pelasgicae. BiblioBazaar, LLC. ISBN 9781113071750.
^ http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/Ne...ack_athena.htm
^ http://www.amazon.com/Black-Athena-R.../dp/0807845558
^ Interview with John Ray, at 5:29, ‪The Black Athena (Part4)‬‏ - YouTube
^ Interview with Edith Hall, at 3:19, ‪The Black Athena (Part4)‬‏ - YouTube
^ a b Interview with James Weinstein, at 2:16, ‪The Black Athena (Part5)‬‏ - YouTube
[edit]External links

Black Athena website
Bernal reviews Lefkowitz's "Not out of Africa"
Josine H. Blok, "Proof and Persuasion in Black Athena: The Case of K. O. Müller", in: Journal of the History of Ideas 57.4 (1996) 705-724 ; a critical look at Bernal's historiography.
Ancient Histories and Modern Humanities by John R. Lenz (Drew University)
With Black Athena into the third millennium CE? by Wim van Binsbergen
The Black Athena Debate from The World Ages Archive, a website operated by Meres J. Weche, who says "The aim of the World Ages Archive is to provide an extensive web-based reference for the study of ancient chronological revisionist, catastrophist..."

[George S.]

if anyone wants to get it i got the links for vol3
Volume 3 of Black Athena
Volume 3 of Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization, Martin Bernal
Volume 3 of The Linguistic Evidence, Martin Bernal
http://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=bibliogroup:"Black+Athena:+ The+Afroasiatic+Roots+of+Classical+Civilization"&s ource=gbs_metadata_r&cad=10#q=bibliogroup%3A%22Bla ck+Athena%3A+The+Afroasiatic+Roots+of+Classical+Ci vilization%22&hl=en&tbm=bks&ei=Lw88TuisJ-WDmQWSvLDXAg&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_p

[VMRO]

Hi George, do you have a download link beh?

[George S.]

vmro i had trouble copying the link here it is under googlehole book with contents etc.

http://books.google.com/books/about/Black_Athena_The_linguistic_evidence.html?id=yFLm_M_OdK4C

[VMRO]

vmro i had trouble copying the link here it is under googlehole book with contents etc.
http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=yFLm_M_OdK4C

Thanks George.

I was hoping someone had the pdf file.

[Nikolaj]

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Anyone recommend his books? I am thinking of picking up his first volume.

[Amphipolis]

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Anyone recommend his books? I am thinking of picking up his first volume.

Every scientist wants to attract some attention, yet when you have 2,300 citations that are basically saying you're an idiot, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

The provocative idea of Bernal was concentrated in the title of the book (not the content) and I guess the idea was (a) to flatter the blacks and (b) to be discussed (simply).

I should point out that:

(A) Ancient Greeks were not "Europeans" but "Eur-Asians" and actually (thanks to Alexandria) had a later "African" period in their history (not the one Bernal or the forum is interested in)

(B) Egyptians were "Africans", but not blacks

(c) The reason that Sub-Saharan blacks remained so detached, racially and culturally distinct and primitive throughout history was... Sahara.

(D) Modern Blacks are trying to find something to be proud about. Well, they shouldn't search in History, rather look at a mirror. In Modern Times there are many black people with achievements (in the way we whites see achievements).

[Nikolaj]

Every scientist wants to attract some attention, yet when you have 2,300 citations that are basically saying you're an idiot, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

I just skimmed through some documentary on it. A lot of the time they say that he is looking at it quite in an odd fashion.
I would like to point out from a psycological standpoint that say if his theory was true, and that anti-semitism wasn't a thing, and then for some scholar to have written a book called "white Athena", that book would also have 2,3000 citations saying you're an idiot.

The provocative idea of Bernal was concentrated in the title of the book (not the content) and I guess the idea was (a) to flatter the blacks and (b) to be discussed (simply).

You could say so, however the question of Black Athena has been on this forum before simply based on the questioning of archaeological findings and ancient descriptions of the Greeks.

I should point out that:

(A) Ancient Greeks were not "Europeans" but "Eur-Asians" and actually (thanks to Alexandria) had a later "African" period in their history (not the one Bernal or the forum is interested in)

My understanding before stumbling upon Black Athena simply from historiography was that the ancient Egyptians were not a complete black people, but were still far up on the dark skinned spectrum.

Now in reference to a section on the Black Athena documentary, a woman said just because the paintings depicted them to be black, does not imply they were black... but alive. Now, say this were true, it is still unconvincing because there are plenty of paintings with both light and dark skinned people.

(B) Egyptians were "Africans", but not blacks

(c) The reason that Sub-Saharan blacks remained so detached, racially and culturally distinct and primitive throughout history was... Sahara.

True

(D) Modern Blacks are trying to find something to be proud about. Well, they shouldn't search in History, rather look at a mirror. In Modern Times there are many black people with achievements (in the way we whites see achievements).[/QUOTE]

Possible, however in my opinion definitely not a personal goal of the writer.


I think I won't really get into his books at this point, but I think I will revisit the threads on this forum related to the subject independent of Martin Bernal's books.

[VMRO]

Apologies for bumping an old thread.

Anyone recommend his books? I am thinking of picking up his first volume.

I have his first vol in pdf if you're interested Nikolaj.

[Nikolaj]

I have his first vol in pdf if you're interested Nikolaj.

I would appreciate it VMRO!

[George S.]

They should take the glory from black athena.EVen the word athena is not a greek word bit some sort of egyptian word.THe greeks fo some admit to their black past.

[Toska]

i always thought the name athena derived from phrygian,(proto-slavic) , the name athena meanings daddys girl, which corresponds directly with Tatina, ata was the ancient macedonian name for tata.