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[European]

I support the cause and wish for more friendly relations. Greece should recognize the Republic of Macedonia!

[European]

Unless the facebook group categorically rejects the position of the Greek government, and asks the Greek government to recognise its indigenous Macedonian people, living in its country who have no basic human rights. Then perhaps I would, but only if the facebook page states clearly that the Greek government has NO RIGHT to block Macedonians entering foriegn clubs, and institutions.

Just a general question, are there any protests held by Macedonians in Greece? I understand that many of you consider the Greek government oppressive and racist and would argue that the Greek government would suppress any protests, but surely the Macedonians in Greece could hold a rally or demonstrate their cause in a peaceful manner. Look at the protests that happen in Athens. The Macedonians should make some noise, no?

[Pelister]

Just a general question, are there any protests held by Macedonians in Greece? I understand that many of you consider the Greek government oppressive and racist and would argue that the Greek government would suppress any protests, but surely the Macedonians in Greece could hold a rally or demonstrate their cause in a peaceful manner. Look at the protests that happen in Athens. The Macedonians should make some noise, no?

Now we are getting a little closer to your true colors (you havn't addressed the specific points I raised).

So the indigenous Macedonian people are NOT oppressed? Is that your line? We don't "consider" it to be true - there is hard evidence that the ruthless suppression of our native people has been going on for a century now. It has to stop.

The website should be demanding the immediate and full recognition of the countries indigenous Macedonian "minority". It should add that these people are still living on their traditional lands. There is no need to add that the supplanting regime (New Greece), has uprooted them, massacred them and dispossessed them.

You see there is a huge difference between a New Greek saying 'Recognise the Macedonian Republic' and one saying 'Recognise the indigenous Macedonian culture'. The first is geographic. I mean even Bulgaria recognises the Republic, but not its people. The second is more foundational. We are the pre-existing people, and deserve that right.

Like I said, if it can't do these very basic and very simple things - its a sham. Because at the heart of the matter it isn't our recognition as a Republic (although that is a big part of it), it is our recognition as a distinctive Macedonian cultural group living on its traditional homeland. If it can do the latter, then recognition of the Republic should come naturally anyway.

[European]

So the indigenous Macedonian people are NOT oppressed? Is that your line? We don't "consider" it to be true - there is hard evidence that the ruthless suppression of our native people has been going on for a century now. It has to stop.

If it is or is not true, I try to take a balance look on the issue. I do think Greece has issues with minority rights, all I'm asking is where are the protests if these people feel oppressed?

You see there is a huge difference between a New Greek saying 'Recognise the Macedonian Republic' and one saying 'Recognise the indigenous Macedonian presence'. The first is geographic. I mean even Bulgaria recognises the Republic, but not its people. The second is more foundational. We are the pre-existing people, and deserve that right.

Like I said, if it can't do these very basic and very simple things - its a sham. Because at the heart of the matter isn't our recognition as a Republic (although that is a part of it), it is our recognition as a distinctive Macedonian cultural group living on its traditional homeland.

I am sympathetic to a certain degree with the last two paragraphs but my more comments were geared towards the Macedonian minority in Greece. Historically there were Slavic speaking peoples in Nothern Greece but I was wondering more or less about their situation today.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I do think Greece has issues with minority rights, all I'm asking is where are the protests if these people feel oppressed?

Well, well, if it isn't the crypto-Albanian back to grace us with his ambiguous presence. Where are the protests of your own people in Greece? Aren't they oppressed?

[European]

Well, well, if it isn't the crypto-Albanian back to grace us with his presence. Where are the protests of your own people in Greece? Aren't they oppressed?

The Arvanites my people? If a group is oppressed they would act in a democratic fashion and use a means for demanding greater rights via political groups, protests and so forth. I have not read of any significant protests of Arvanites or Macedonians in Greece? I read briefly of the rainbow party in Greece and do not know of any Arvanite political groups. Are these groups assimilated? Probably but if these respective groups do not champion for their rights who else will?

[Pelister]

If it is or is not true, I try to take a balance look on the issue. I do think Greece has issues with minority rights, all I'm asking is where are the protests if these people feel oppressed?

I am sympathetic to a certain degree with the last two paragraphs but my more comments were geared towards the Macedonian minority in Greece. Historically there were Slavic speaking peoples in Nothern Greece but I was wondering more or less about their situation today.

Again, you are side stepping my points with the "where are the Macedonians you speak of" argument?

You do realize that before the year 1912 and 1913 the indigenous Macedonians had their own government, their own social structures, their own local Councils, their own alphabet, culture, literature, civilization ...etc, and that they had been fighting to establish home rule (self government) in many battles against the Turk for many, many decades before 1912 and 1913?

The website has to ask the Greek government to recognise the native Macedonian people in Greece which it continues to deny to this very day. If it can do that, then recognition of the Macedonian Republic should naturally and logically flow on from it without a hiccup.

[Risto the Great]

The website has to ask the Greek government to recognise the native Macedonian people in Greece which it continues to deny to this very day. If it can do that, then recognition of the Macedonian Republic should naturally and logically flow on from it without a hiccup.

The reverse is also true.
If Greece recognises the Macedonians in Macedonia, then it would also recognise Macedonians in northern Greece ... which is why Greece does not want to recognise the Macedonians in Macedonia. God bless their little fustanellas.

[Vangelovski]

If a group is oppressed they would act in a democratic fashion and use a means for demanding greater rights via political groups, protests and so forth.

Is that also your view with regard to the Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia? What's your view on the remaining Albanian war crime suspects that are yet to be tried in Macedonia - some which have been appointed to high ranking positions within DUI?

[George S.]

I can tell you the albanians in macedonia aren't oppressed as they have every right given to them under the sun.They are probably depressed as they can't wait soon enough to secede from macedonia.When do we have cooperation & support from the albanians never because they are only after what they can get for themselves.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The Arvanites my people?

You don't consider Albanians and Arvanite as the same ethno-linguistic group?

[Pelister]

The reverse is also true.
If Greece recognises the Macedonians in Macedonia, then it would also recognise Macedonians in northern Greece ... which is why Greece does not want to recognise the Macedonians in Macedonia. God bless their little fustanellas.

I don't trust them. Why would someone market themselves as wanting Greece to recognise the Macedonian Republic, on the one hand, and on the other hand, get all defensive about Greece recognising an indigenous Macedonian 'minority' in its borders? Something isn't right. I just can't put my finger on it yet.

[Daskalot]

The reverse is also true.
If Greece recognises the Macedonians in Macedonia, then it would also recognise Macedonians in northern Greece ... which is why Greece does not want to recognise the Macedonians in Macedonia. God bless their little fustanellas.

As has been stated here in this US document from 1993:

[Daskalot]

You don't consider Albanians and Arvanite as the same ethno-linguistic group?

In 1814 they considered themselves to be one and the same:

[European]

Is that also your view with regard to the Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia? What's your view on the remaining Albanian war crime suspects that are yet to be tried in Macedonia - some which have been appointed to high ranking positions within DUI?

That is my view for any ethnic, political or interest group that wants their voice to be yeard.

As for my view on the Albanian war crime suspects, I would assume the hague would be the one to investigate such issues. If war crimes have been committed let an investigation be done and a fair trial. But from what I have read, the NLA was pardoned and/or given amnesty from the Macedonian government.

Why do many of you ask these staple questions that have little to do with my comments. Would you like to know my opinions on the FA or IA next?