Perceptions of God, Creationism and Evolution

[Bill77]

Acceptance isn't fact, before you open up another science book I suggest you open a dictionary

Vojnik, can you go back to your original question of this thread? come on mate, i think its an important subject.

Are Modern Greeks descendants of Javan.

[Phoenix]

The main argument is that Creationism is fact whilst Evolution is just a theory with no facts

.... how old are you today...8?

[Bill77]

Billy, that's where the problem is...its not a battle between science and religion...unfortunately some devout Christians fear science to the point that one has to question their conviction, others are in a competitive battle to elevate Christianity to the top of the heap at the expense of the non-believers...both science and religion can coexist, instead we have a mountain of posts challenging every accepted scientific norm in a futile battle of my evidence is more valid than yours...

Spot on mate. neither side needs to feel threatened. Each to their own. I might lay my faith on religion, you on Science, why does it matter.

[vojnik]

before you open anything, I suggest you open your mind...you fuckin' mental midget.

That's really funny because I believe you should open your mind mine has already been opened by God and too an extent I feel sorry for you that you result to using such terms and the invention of conspiricy theories etc

[vojnik]

also this isn't a battle between science and religion as you can see by many sources supplied science backs creationism. The main argument is that Creationism is fact whilst Evolution is just a theory with no facts

[Phoenix]

Acceptance isn't fact, before you open up another science book I suggest you open a dictionary

before you open anything, I suggest you open your mind...you fuckin' mental midget.

[vojnik]

Billy, that's where the problem is...its not a battle between science and religion...unfortunately some devout Christians fear science to the point that one has to question their conviction, others are in a competitive battle to elevate Christianity to the top of the heap at the expense of the non-believers...both science and religion can coexist, instead we have a mountain of posts challenging every accepted scientific norm in a futile battle of my evidence is more valid than yours...

Acceptance isn't fact, before you open up another science book I suggest you open a dictionary

[Phoenix]

on a side note, If we happened to be living in 1000bc or later, TM, makedonin, onur, Phoenix and any other that puts science over religion, would be Hellenes. Now we all know they are far from downing souvlaki's every night or dancing the zorba. And i am sure they are hard workers.

Billy, that's where the problem is...its not a battle between science and religion...unfortunately some devout Christians fear science to the point that one has to question their conviction, others are in a competitive battle to elevate Christianity to the top of the heap at the expense of the non-believers...both science and religion can coexist, instead we have a mountain of posts challenging every accepted scientific norm in a futile battle of my evidence is more valid than yours...

[Bill77]

Back to Genesis of this thread.

Centuries ago (well it feels that way) there was a post by vojnik, which was this.

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Kittim was the son of Javan whom founded the Macedonian and Roman nations the Greeks decended from Javans other son Elishah

Javan settled in Ionia (western part of Asia Minor; which Today this region is part of Turkey). The birthplace of the new science.
A qualitative change occurred in Ionia shortly after 1000 BC. A place where civilization broke the link between religion and science and established a new discipline for systematic attempts to understand and explain nature. The new discipline was called philosophy, literally "love of wisdom", and science was part of it. A place where local Ancient scholars kept religion out of science. It was believed that religion was not suitable as a tool to explain the natural world.


So you see the word Javan/Ionia then later Hellene, was given to anyone who chose science over religion. It was not an ethnic sense. And those that translate it today as Greek (in an ethnic sense) is very wrong and its totally misleading.

Modern Greeks aren't Hellenes/Hellas, not only because their ancestors were Turks or Vlach or Albanian, But they are allegedly "Religious". Remember "Grik Orthodox". Now thats a paradox if i ever seen one. A Grik (Hellene)/Christian.

on a side note, If we happened to be living in 1000bc or later, TM, makedonin, onur, Phoenix and any other that puts science over religion, would be Hellenes. Now we all know they are far from downing souvlaki's every night or dancing the zorba. And i am sure they are hard workers.

[vojnik]

What are you, TV's man servant or something...?

I don't understand how that is relevant to what I just said but you continue with your conspiricy theories that I'm "FYROM", that I believe that dinosaurs bones were scattered as a practical joke and the most recent one that I am "TV's man servant". Yet after all that you still haven't presented your views or any evidence supporting your claims and disproving the facts of creation, but yeah you continue that's fine with every post you just prove to everyone how much of an idiot you are. Pathetic isn't it?

[Phoenix]

Obviously you, since you asked for my opinion before.....

I was told to calm down when I got confrontational earlier on in the thread, which i did yet you continue I think the admins of this forum she give you a warning to calm down because your turning out to be beyond a joke

What are you, TV's man servant or something...?

[vojnik]

Who gives a fuck what you think...

Obviously you, since you asked for my opinion before.....

I was told to calm down when I got confrontational earlier on in the thread, which i did yet you continue I think the admins of this forum she give you a warning to calm down because your turning out to be beyond a joke

[Phoenix]

I also refuse to answer any questions you direct towards me as I am still waiting for you to share your views and provide evidence which contradicts anything being said.

Yes the dinosaur theory was stupid I admitted it I myself never have and still don't believe in it. You call it stupid yet promote evolution along with other members on this forum which is on the same level of stupid as the dinosaur statement hence why I used it. I mean come on Phoenix a common ancestor between chimpanzees and humans etc come off it there is no real evidence for such a thing or anything evolution stands for just quit before you get ahead of yourself mate.

Also if you could point me towards the rule which states that what the majority in the forum say is truth.

Your obviously blind to facts and continue to be ignorant trying to condem creation yet present no views of your own just critics on other members. Evolution only exists as an alternative to God with no real evidence to support this theory

Who gives a fuck what you think...

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, when you start contributing maybe I'll start "talking to you". How about you tell us what you believe and why? Or maybe you could tell me which of my posts you disagree with and why?

TV, I think science and religion are 2 totally different things and should remain seperated.

I'm not here to attack your beliefs or to ridicule your faith but I don't share your literal interpretation of the bible, nor do I use it as the defining guidebook of my journey through life.

I find it extremely arrogant that one persons faith can be elevated higher than anybody elses faith or belief system.
I believe that creationism has been exposed as a flawed model of our existence and that the 'Intelligent Design' movement is a PC model of creationism promoted by a small but radical group of Christian fundementalists who have their own agenda to persue but lack the balls to define the 'Designer' as God himself.

It's that sort of rubbish that pushes away the flock, an inherent flaw in Christianity that it struggles to stand on its own two feet, without careful promotion, fear mongering and carefully crafted packaging and always ulterior machinations at work...

I don't profess to know all the answers and I live comfortably occupying the middle ground between science and religion, without being a slave to either.

[vojnik]

I also refuse to answer any questions you direct towards me as I am still waiting for you to share your views and provide evidence which contradicts anything being said.

Yes the dinosaur theory was stupid I admitted it I myself never have and still don't believe in it. You call it stupid yet promote evolution along with other members on this forum which is on the same level of stupid as the dinosaur statement hence why I used it. I mean come on Phoenix a common ancestor between chimpanzees and humans etc come off it there is no real evidence for such a thing or anything evolution stands for just quit before you get ahead of yourself mate.

Also if you could point me towards the rule which states that what the majority in the forum say is truth.

Your obviously blind to facts and continue to be ignorant trying to condem creation yet present no views of your own just critics on other members. Evolution only exists as an alternative to God with no real evidence to support this theory