Perceptions of God, Creationism and Evolution

[makedonche]

Here is an idea. What if a 'day' on Earth is in some other celestial realm much longer (in Earth time). I got this idea from the movie, 'Contact' where a second of earth time, is the same as 18 minutes in some location in the cosmos.

Pelister
I think your'e onto something here, if I remember correctly Gligorov said it will only be FYROM for a few months - wallah 20 years later here we still are!

[Pelister]

Here is an idea. What if a 'day' on Earth is in some other celestial realm much longer (in Earth time). I got this idea from the movie, 'Contact' where a second of earth time, is the same as 18 minutes in some location in the cosmos.

[Vangelovski]

Do the RATE Findings Negate Mainstream Science?

http://wwwold.reasons.org/resources/in_the_news/Rating_Article.shtml

An interesting research project undertaken by creationist scientists to determine the age of the Earth using the very technologies previously disputed by TV as flawed.

To paraphrase the great Christian theologian Augustine, how can we expect unbelievers to trust our statements about spiritual things if we make outlandish statements about worldly things?

Phoenix, thanks for the link. However, the RATE project does not attempt to determine the age of the earth. Its an investigation of the various dating methods. In addition, there are some glaringly misleading statements in the article, for example, it attributes some claims to RATE that they never made and de-attributes others that they have made.

But there are others (mainly non-Christians) who have investigated these dating methods and found them to be highly inaccurate, some of which I have posted (including their findings).

[Phoenix]

Do the RATE Findings Negate Mainstream Science?

http://wwwold.reasons.org/resources/in_the_news/Rating_Article.shtml

An interesting research project undertaken by creationist scientists to determine the age of the Earth using the very technologies previously disputed by TV as flawed.

To paraphrase the great Christian theologian Augustine, how can we expect unbelievers to trust our statements about spiritual things if we make outlandish statements about worldly things?

[Zarni]

Either way, I wish this level of passion existed for Macedonian matters

Yes I agree

If a deity exists great discover it but try to ask yourself if only Humans depended on each other and comforted each other the only propose religion would serve is to ease our fears we go to a better plain of existence when we are dead and burried even and athoist would at least want that


If a deity exists it probably will be explained away by Physics our understanding of the Nano World or one unified theory of the Universe will be born or better yet Drakes theory on the number of Intelligent beings in the Universes will bring a outstanding result that will either bury organised religion or an outstanding revelation will be born Homo sapiens and aliens are all of Gods children we are different but of the same egg

A New region might be born the three main Faiths could be challenged a fusion of many or the old school figures before Jesus might be resurrected they sure have the same qualities of Jesus immaculate conception, miracles, died for our sins but for some reason have been forgotten in the scrapes of History and most people couldn’t mention their names

If a new concept of Society is born were wealth and money attainment is replaced with something new and beyond our everyday existence there will have less reason for Religion people will have access to Food and everyone will have attained the same goal, being "Happy" being fulfilled afterall that is what every Human being wants from an undiscovered tribe in the Amazon to a high flying Executive.

Humans need religion but dam if there is one thing I can say religion provides is oodles endless fulfilling Prophecy if as much energy was spent one predicting the end of the Earth and belief Christians will be taken away in rapture then the relationship of fellow man we all would live in a much better world

There probably and more likely is something beyond but I don’t think Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the path all three in some ways are on the right road but have diverged so far you just have to bring the greatest gift God or Evolution has given us

Think and ask questions something religion does well in drowning


THE END

[Risto the Great]

I was going to create a new user called "GOD" to clarify some of the issues on this thread.
I suspect even God would not have a chance on this thread and that his biggest skeptics would probably be his followers.

Bring on the Silver Surfer!

Either way, I wish this level of passion existed for Macedonian matters.

[makedonin]

YouTube - ‪Ken Ham: Genesis genius or just weird beard?‬‏
I wonder how long would a kangaroo need to come to palestina!?



YouTube - ‪Noah's Ark: "I think we need a bigger boat!"‬‏

YouTube - ‪The Bible is not for kids! - Or is it?‬‏

[makedonin]

Someone here doesn't read the specific comments made in relation to carbon dating...and then they provide arguments on fine tuning that have already been addressed about 30 pages ago...

Only a spy bot can out do another spy bot and reply in real time to pseudo scientific garbage.

I am real person, so don't mind me.

If you can't handle it, don't blame the messenger.

[Vangelovski]

Someone here doesn't read the specific comments made in relation to carbon dating...and then they provide arguments on fine tuning that have already been addressed about 30 pages ago...

[makedonin]

When carbon dating does not fit fundamentalists need they argue against.

But they all toreadelly jump on it when it supports their claims.

Here the Edomite example:

http://www.google.de/search?q=carbon+dating+backs+edom&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

What it should be is the question?

And for those fine tuning experts here, simple made quantum mechanics explanation:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/morebigquestions/stories/s540596.htm

http://www.hawking.org.uk/index.php/lectures/64

[Vangelovski]

GS, you can't approach science with your head buried in the sand, back in Vangelovski's time, the Sun revolved around the Earth, the Earth was flat and it was only 6000 years old...today we know differently.

Honestly Phoenix, what do you know?

[Vangelovski]

Here's an interesting link to an article on the age of the Earth...

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html

"These calculations result in an age for the Earth and meteorites, and hence the Solar System, of 4.54 billion years with an uncertainty of less than 1 percent".

what do you reckon TV...?

Phoenix,

Did you take note of the assumptions they made? They were honest about them and clearly stated them up front.

Further, did you take note of the dating method they used?

Having noted those assumptions and dating methods, did you take the evidence posted above and in other posts into consideration?

[Phoenix]

well p science makes more unanswered questions that it answers.look acience has really proved that you can't create something out of nothing.Also the universe had a begining & how will it end???

GS, you can't approach science with your head buried in the sand, back in Vangelovski's time, the Sun revolved around the Earth, the Earth was flat and it was only 6000 years old...today we know differently.

[George S.]

well p science makes more unanswered questions that it answers.look acience has really proved that you can't create something out of nothing.Also the universe had a begining & how will it end???

[Phoenix]

Here's an interesting link to an article on the age of the Earth...

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html

"These calculations result in an age for the Earth and meteorites, and hence the Solar System, of 4.54 billion years with an uncertainty of less than 1 percent".

what do you reckon TV...?