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[rujnovino]

We're basically moping the floor with these clowns (facts ) yet in some perverse way they seem to find this very stimulating and keep coming back for more pleasure.

C'mon, now, why don't you cut the shit for a change, MakKafana: If you really DO know Tsarknias in any way, then you also know full well that he doesn't share your inaet against the UMD; on the contrary, he is well aware of the UMD's work, and he is very supportive of the organization's work. He even went out of his way to praise Meto Koloski personally in his speech at the conference last year.

Does that mean he's a bugarofil? (Julie)

Does that mean he is uniformed, duped and misguided? (Vangelovski)

Give it a break, please. You know damn well that this man is like our Nelson Mandela, and his opinion matters a hell of a lot. He has actually paid the price for this cause, and he has earned respect from everyone who cares about Egejska Makedonija. And... surprising only to you and your bitter comrades.... he supports the UMD, just like he supports all the other Macedonian groups that fight for Macedonia.

In fact, it's only a very small number of folks that buy into your half-baked conspiracy theories about the UMD, and the Freemasons and the MPO, etc. Don't you understand that you are actually trying to do the Greeks work for them when you work to sabotage the reputations of Macedonian organizations and activists?

NEWSFLASH: You and the warrior-queens are NOT activists. Activists don't obsess about infighting with their own people; they put the Macedonian Cause first. Don't pretend that Tsarknias supports your idiotic mission against the UMD; it's immoral to spread rumors like that about a great man.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Q. Can you read English? You, asked me a question and this was my response ..

- Interpreter (2000-2004) Warsaw, Poland and Washington DC

Now, can you give a good reason why you should not be banned for personal attacks on Julie after I answered your question? Do ALL UMD members dislike and attack ladies - boys only club? Swingers .. "Boyz II Men"?

rujnovino, you have shed some new light (red flag) on the UMD that we will monitor very closely.

[rujnovino]

You're avoiding the elephant in the room. You have made it clear that you support UMD and reject any criticism of their ideological underpinings. Seeing as the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement are pillars of their policy, and you obviously support UMD, one can only assume you also support their key ideological views. Why is it that you support the Interim Accord and the Framwork Agreement? Why is it that you support the destruction of Macedonian freedom by foreign governments and terrorists?

Tom, these are more weasel words from a bitter and petty inaetdzija, obsessed with scoring points against the organization that kicked him off of their board. Who do you think you're trying to fool with your bullshit terminology: "ideological underpinnings" and "policy pillars"? This is just smoke and mirrors. The UMD works for the Macedonian Cause, but they don't obey your orders or serve your ego. That's why you "quit" / were shown the door.

[julie]

Hey boozos - vino and brandy,
answer this question posed by Vangelovski

Why is it that you support the Interim Accord and the Framwork Agreement? Why is it that you support the destruction of Macedonian freedom by foreign governments

doubt a response will be forthcoming, deflection and attacks on moral integrity are more your style, tools.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Hey boozos - vino and brandy,
answer this question posed by Vangelovski

Why is it that you support the Interim Accord and the Framwork Agreement? Why is it that you support the destruction of Macedonian freedom by foreign governments

doubt a response will be forthcoming, deflection and attacks on moral integrity are more your style, tools.

Don't let anyone connected with the UMD get you upset because this is one war they will NEVER win.

UMD - Anti Women, PRO choice .. Men only

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[julie]

Vangelovski is of moral integrity, they attack anyone that questions their ideologies and self serving aspirations and use people to deflect from their own shortcomings. The boozo cheersquad is predictable and boring and their blatant support for the compromise of Macedonia, its name and continuance is obvious for everyone to see. Anyone that is a true patriot need only see the you tube video tape posted here by Risto , in what the UMD is. A masonic sect with self serving political (ra ra yankee doodle) aspirations to the detriment of the sovereignty of Macedonia.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Vangelovski is of moral integrity, they attack anyone that questions their ideologies and self serving aspirations and use people to deflect from their own shortcomings. The boozo cheersquad is predictable and boring and their blatant support for the compromise of Macedonia, its name and continuance is obvious for everyone to see. Anyone that is a true patriot need only see the you tube video tape posted here by Risto , in what the UMD is. A masonic sect with self serving political (ra ra yankee doodle) aspirations to the detriment of the sovereignty of Macedonia.

Well said, and 100% correct kukla.

[Risto the Great]

The UMD works for the Macedonian Cause

How do they define it?
Why are they so cryptic about something so fundamental.
When we asked them about it I think the key observations were about when to use "whereas" and "henceforth" and other pomposities.

But thanks for bringing it up. Let us know how the UMD defines their Macedonian Cause and how that belief manifests itself in their actions of the past.

[Risto the Great]

My point was that you are selective in who you criticize... when I said "others" I was actually referring to Alex - not other organizations. I wouldn't stoop so low as to bash Macedonian organizations publicly even if I don't agree with everything they do or say.

I spent a year rallying support for UMD once upon a time. I probably spent a year rallying against Alex (albeit with a little less zeal). Time keeps moving forward and we tend to see people and organisations for who they are. I don't think anyone understood your comment as referring to Alex when you were referring to organisations.

Do you know about UMD's Macedonian Cause definition? Have you reconciled it to their actions?

A funny thing happened to Macedonians the other day. The UMD decided negotiations must cease. Since then we haven't heard a peep from them.

[Risto the Great]

Well, actually, that is NOT what you said. You insinuated some kind of bribery or deceit. In any case, I can't think of anyone more deserving of being honored than Pop Nikodim, frankly. His activism is an inspiration.

The "slip a dollar" comment is yet another of those random innuendo statements that you like to utter, RTG - what I would call weasel words. It's the classic tactic used in a smear job, and it is employed by all the warrior-queens to varying degrees. Then, when your discrepancy gets pointed out by me (usually, there is no need for logic when the main audience is Warrior MakKafana and Queen Julie), you follow up with a hasty retraction or reformulation, along with false protestations: ...umm uh, um uh, I meant the bleakest time since 1991, um uh , yeh, that's right.... that's the ticket
No, it doesn't actually, as usual. Oh well.

Nah, I put that one away pretty quickly mate. He sounds like a real trooper. Unfortunately Tsarknias hasn't captured the imagination of Macedonians in Greece. But there is still time.

The "slip a dollar" comment is really more aimed at the Bitov and Turkish thing. Let me know if anything requires further clarification.

[Risto the Great]

That's why you "quit" / were shown the door.

I look forward to Vangelovski's reason. Are you ready for it?

[Vangelovski]

Tom, these are more weasel words from a bitter and petty inaetdzija, obsessed with scoring points against the organization that kicked him off of their board. Who do you think you're trying to fool with your bullshit terminology: "ideological underpinnings" and "policy pillars"? This is just smoke and mirrors. The UMD works for the Macedonian Cause, but they don't obey your orders or serve your ego. That's why you "quit" / were shown the door.

Rujnovino,

The reasons I left UMD are well known and publically documented.

The question is not even about UMD. UMD's policies are well documented. There is no dobut about them. The question is why do YOU support the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement? Why do YOU support foreign governments and terrorists deconstructing Macedonian freedom?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

First, let me say that I find it alarming that an organization (?) UMD has made it a habit to allow others to be their official spoke persons on forums. In, some cases board members are using "alias" names to hide their true identity and then attack former board members (Tom and Igor) and those persons who feel they have done very little for the Macedonian diaspora or Macedonian cause these past 7 years.

If you're a UMD member in good standing then vote for change and a new direction. Macedonia was never American.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Meto, since you folks are not up to speed (7 year itch) when it comes to good idea's a MUST is to have a lucky draw with 1st prize .. a one week trip for 2 to Macedonia. (air and accommodations). That can be donated to the UMD by more then one person.

YouTube - Macedonia Timeless video 1,2,3 & 4

$50 per ticket on-line (anyone) with draw at the gala banquet. I know, you're doing many surprise things TBA in June.

NOW THE CATCH

You must mention MTO and the World Macedonian Diaspora at the Gala Banquet .. hahahahahaha

[Makedonska_Kafana]

First, let me say that I find it alarming that an organization (?) UMD has made it a habit to allow others to be their official spoke persons on forums. In, some cases board members are using "alias" names to hide their true identity and then attack former board members (Tom and Igor) and those persons who feel they have done very little for the Macedonian diaspora or Macedonian cause these past 7 years.

If you're a UMD member in good standing then vote for change and a new direction. Macedonia was never American.

Sadly, two of the most vocal attackers and UMD defenders are not board members just persons who now feels that it's their duty to insult anyone that does not think the UMD is the next best thing to zelnik with Australian Macedonians high on their hit list - both supported Gligorov not long ago.

O CANADA