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Well we have discussed objective or relative morals on another thread and I don't want to visit that here. Each of us have varying degrees of understanding of matters as they relate to Macedonia. To the extent we understand the current state of affairs in Macedonia, each of us draws conclusions.
The problem I seem to see is that most of us know that Macedonia is going in the wrong direction and the leaders of Macedonia have been playing games with the Macedonian people.
As soon as one develops an understanding of the sovereignty destroying framework agreement and interim agreement etc, there is quite simply no way forward for Macedonia without a wholesale re-engineering of ideology in Macedonia.
I am starting to notice a polarisation on this forum between some very angry and frustrated people who believe they know how ideologically corrupt Macedonia is and those who feel that Macedonia simply needs more time to resolve its problems. That things will "sort themselves out in the end". Personally, I am one of the people growing more frustrated by the utter disrespect shown to our Macedonian identity and ancestors.
I am more and more bewildered by people who denounce the interim agreement yet support the ICJ court proceedings, or the new flag or whatever else goes hand in hand with Macedonia's capitulations of the past and present. Some have suggested that there are varying degrees of "ideological awareness" and people should be encouraged rather than castigated for their lack of ideological awareness. Unfortunately, many people should know better, they don't and some are leaders of Macedonian communities, some lead Macedonia, some are involved with Macedonian organisations etc.
The reality is that some are going against Macedonia's interests for personal gain, others are doing it out of utter ignorance.
Once an interested party immerses himself into the recent history of Macedonia, there can only be one conclusion and that is the progress towards the inevitable demise of Macedonia. I ask our forum participants to consider the positions they take on Macedonian matters. If they accept that actions undertaken to date have been detrimental to Macedonian Cause, then actions or positions being considered for the future should embrace or forge the Cause and always be considered with reference to impacts on the Macedonian Cause. A quick way to assess the impact of a proposed initiative is to envision the entire nation embracing it. For example, if the entire country is forced to wave the new (compromised) Macedonian flag every Monday morning, what is the message? What if we compare that with all Macedonians waving the original (uncompromised) Macedonian flag every Monday morning? What would that say about the spirit of the Macedonian people? Will it translate into a good thing? Is it irrelevant? You be the judge.
If you disagree with the interim agreement, it means you disagree with the new flag. Taking a principled position on the matter would mean you must reject the new flag. Any other position on the matter is corrupt. In the same fashion, Macedonians who reject FYROM must also reject the interim agreement as well as the ICJ case.
Quite simply, it is a case of joining the dots and it is getting frustrating reading about the absolutely illogical conclusions some people are making due to corrupt ideologies they have embraced. There is always room for opinions and ways of addressing problems, but ignoring the fundamental truths about Macedonia's problems and capitulations is a guaranteed way to ensure the same misery in Macedonia is perpetuated forever until its demise.
The problem I seem to see is that most of us know that Macedonia is going in the wrong direction and the leaders of Macedonia have been playing games with the Macedonian people.
As soon as one develops an understanding of the sovereignty destroying framework agreement and interim agreement etc, there is quite simply no way forward for Macedonia without a wholesale re-engineering of ideology in Macedonia.
I am starting to notice a polarisation on this forum between some very angry and frustrated people who believe they know how ideologically corrupt Macedonia is and those who feel that Macedonia simply needs more time to resolve its problems. That things will "sort themselves out in the end". Personally, I am one of the people growing more frustrated by the utter disrespect shown to our Macedonian identity and ancestors.
I am more and more bewildered by people who denounce the interim agreement yet support the ICJ court proceedings, or the new flag or whatever else goes hand in hand with Macedonia's capitulations of the past and present. Some have suggested that there are varying degrees of "ideological awareness" and people should be encouraged rather than castigated for their lack of ideological awareness. Unfortunately, many people should know better, they don't and some are leaders of Macedonian communities, some lead Macedonia, some are involved with Macedonian organisations etc.
The reality is that some are going against Macedonia's interests for personal gain, others are doing it out of utter ignorance.
Once an interested party immerses himself into the recent history of Macedonia, there can only be one conclusion and that is the progress towards the inevitable demise of Macedonia. I ask our forum participants to consider the positions they take on Macedonian matters. If they accept that actions undertaken to date have been detrimental to Macedonian Cause, then actions or positions being considered for the future should embrace or forge the Cause and always be considered with reference to impacts on the Macedonian Cause. A quick way to assess the impact of a proposed initiative is to envision the entire nation embracing it. For example, if the entire country is forced to wave the new (compromised) Macedonian flag every Monday morning, what is the message? What if we compare that with all Macedonians waving the original (uncompromised) Macedonian flag every Monday morning? What would that say about the spirit of the Macedonian people? Will it translate into a good thing? Is it irrelevant? You be the judge.
If you disagree with the interim agreement, it means you disagree with the new flag. Taking a principled position on the matter would mean you must reject the new flag. Any other position on the matter is corrupt. In the same fashion, Macedonians who reject FYROM must also reject the interim agreement as well as the ICJ case.
Quite simply, it is a case of joining the dots and it is getting frustrating reading about the absolutely illogical conclusions some people are making due to corrupt ideologies they have embraced. There is always room for opinions and ways of addressing problems, but ignoring the fundamental truths about Macedonia's problems and capitulations is a guaranteed way to ensure the same misery in Macedonia is perpetuated forever until its demise.
I would suggest you try someone like Aleksandrov or eat some humble pie and ask for assistance from some of your opponents in the "objective morality" debates who are Macedonian educated and proficient in Macedonian. I hope that when the need arises WE should ALL be able to overcome small (or even significant) personal (including political and ideological) differences for the greater common Macedonian national good (The Macedonian Cause).
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