Macedonia and Greece will meet in EuroBasket 2011

[Risto the Great]

Should we encourage these sparks?

The sparks turned into a downright bushfire of Ventilators by the time they reached that Warrior who cannot be named.

Bill, the fear is that misguided ideology will manifest itself into a very twisted view of what it means to be Macedonian. I know some intellectuals will seek to justify everyone's feelings on the matter, but at the end of the day ... Macedonians in Macedonia are simply no longer in control of their own destiny.

[julie]

The sparks turned into a downright bushfire of Ventilators by the time they reached that Warrior who cannot be named.

Bill, the fear is that misguided ideology will manifest itself into a very twisted view of what it means to be Macedonian. I know some intellectuals will seek to justify everyone's feelings on the matter, but at the end of the day ... Macedonians in Macedonia are simply no longer in control of their own destiny.

They have not been in control and this has to change, and the only way for this to happen is protests, and people being pro-active

[Bill77]

Lets get back to Basketball
London 2012 Olympics....here we come. (hopefully minus the ventilators)


izlezi momce pravo na terasa
i pozdravia goce na terasa
krenete race visoko gore
nashe ke bide i solunsko pole
oleole....oleole...ole oleoleole.....

Izlezi momce pravo na terasa - MKD reprezentacija ft. A.Mitevski, DJ Babura, Davor Bojanov & Blezeri - YouTube

[Toska]

its pozdravi ja gocevata rasa

[George S.]

they are probably too concerned with the game play to worry about the politics.Perhaps if our politicians interferred & told them to be political.That is to use the 16 ray sun flag & to call themselves macedonia then it would be different.Then it would turn into a political football.I suppose the players could be anything they want to be.So if they use the ventilator or the fyrom name the have to realise they are letting us down by inot identifying as macedonians.

[George S.]

Thanks Tom when one looks at the real reasons why the greeks are doing it is they want us off the map.I can see where the ventilator & fyrom people are coming from.They see things in a completely different way.But what ever is said that isn't going to change the way a basketball game the way its played.But the political overtonoes are enourmous.
If we call ourselves fyrom it's a plus for greece that means it's a win politically.
Also If we wave the ventilator flag it's a political win for greece because they don't want us to be seen as macedonian whether in name or in flag.So really it's up to us to exemplify that we are macedonian by presenting & acting as real macedonians.

[The LION will ROAR]

Greeks are now complaining on the Macedonian BasketBall team singing a song in the change room about Solun.......lol

Излези, момче" влезе во грчкиот парламент

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pzsnl8Uk47k

[Volk]

Излези момче право на тераса.avi - YouTube

I suggest the sires who claim that the people at the basketball are this and that watch this video.

[Risto the Great]

Looks great Volk.
I just wish the message was consistent.

[Risto the Great]

Given that many here believe this was an important event for Macedonian solidarity and sovereignty, could it also be argued that performing poorly in the past has been the reason for Macedonia's inability to demand rights pertaining to its sovereignty?

Is Macedonia's future hinged on sporting success?

Am I seriously asking this question?

Is there a "sarcasm Olympics" I could compete in?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

RTG, it's a well known fact that 95% of the problems facing Macedonians in ROM are self inflicted wounds, nothing to do with outsiders including Athens.

- no speak english (we want to party)

[Risto the Great]

MK, many would disagree with you. I don't. Macedonians need to stop blaming others for their capitulations.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

MK, many would disagree with you. I don't. Macedonians need to stop blaming others for their capitulations.

A wise man RTG ..

[Vangelovski]

RTG, it's a well known fact that 95% of the problems facing Macedonians in ROM are self inflicted wounds, nothing to do with outsiders including Athens.

- no speak english (we want to party)

MK, you've hit the nail on the head. But like RtG said, many would not agree and are not able to accept the harsh reality.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

MK, you've hit the nail on the head. But like RtG said, many would not agree and are not able to accept the harsh reality.

The "Truth" hurts - MTO

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/announcement.php?f=2&a=3