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  • The LION will ROAR
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3231

    #2
    WOW....several langauge incorporate into one...wired..
    Whats the history of this Langauge and people.. I here a mix of Macedonian, Greek and turk Language.....?
    The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13675

      #3
      That's what happened to a Macedonian dialect that was left unprotected and under heavy influence by Greek, and some Turkish.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • fyrOM
        Banned
        • Feb 2010
        • 2180

        #4
        What the hell is this language and who speaks it.

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        • George S.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10116

          #5
          is it relatrd to bulgarian?
          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
          GOTSE DELCEV

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          • Onur
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 2389

            #6
            Pomaks are most likely islamized Macedonian and/or Bulgarians, probably both but since they became muslim(it`s unknown when), they are living in harmony with Turks in Balkans and Turkey for centuries. So, they are similar in that sense with Torbeshi of Macedonia.

            Pomak language has absolutely no relation with Greek language cuz they mostly had no contact with Greeks throughout history. Pomaks says that it`s an amalgam of Macedonian, Bulgarian and Turkish. It`s a product of cultural interaction for a long time(most likely centuries). Pomaks are also bilingual for centuries. They speak Turkish as well as their own language. So, it`s like Romaika speakers of Anatolia in that sense since most Romaika speakers was also speaking Turkish.

            This video you see here is from Greece and thats why the speaker has Greekish accent. Normally, there is no Greek connection with Pomak language but in western Thrace, they educate them in Greek for some time. Also it`s rather interesting and ironic that while Greek policy calls Turkish people in western Thrace as "muslim Hellenes" and continuously deny Macedonian identity, they are so fond of ~20.000 Pomaks in western Thrace. They are doing this to divide Turks with Pomaks cuz Pomaks only lives with Turks in western Thrace since it`s not that possible to live in other areas of Greece by being a muslim. They also spread ridicules stuff like Pomaks are supposedly an Hellenic squad in the Alexander the Great`s army in Persian wars(descendants of ancient Hellenes story as usual!). This propaganda is done by Karazaferis and his party LAOS. LAOS also continuously demanded for Pomak language programs in Greek tv channels and radios in the name of minority rights of them!!!(minority rights and LAOS! whatta combination)


            Most of the Pomaks came to Turkey in 1878 cuz Bulgarians/Russians expelled them along with Turks in 1878 Russian-Turkish war. As far as i remember from a Turkish web site for Pomaks, there are about 250.000 Pomaks in Turkey, 150.000 in Bulgaria and about 20.000 in Greece(western Thrace only)
            Last edited by Onur; 01-19-2011, 04:24 PM.

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            • Niko777
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 1895

              #7
              The Pomaks in Eastern Aegean Macedonia and Thrace have won the right to broadcast news in their own native language?!? When will the Macedonians in the rest of Aegean Macedonia win the same right??? Also, who standardized the Pomak language for the news? Whose idea was it to use the Latin alphabet, the Greek government?

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              • Niko777
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 1895

                #8
                Thank you Onur for the information, but don't forget there are also a few Macedonian Pomaks in the eastern most region of Aegean Macedonia, mostly around Kavala. The villages of Kavala were heavily populated with Macedonian Muslims 100 years ago, but they were mostly exiled to Turkey.

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                • Risto the Great
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15659

                  #9
                  I can hear a Greek accent which I am positive would not have existed 100 years ago. Other than that, it has much more to do with Macedonian than any other language.

                  Interesting.
                  Risto the Great
                  MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                  "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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                  • Дени
                    Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 136

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                    I can hear a Greek accent which I am positive would not have existed 100 years ago.
                    It really is quite frustrating when your ears are accustomed to intuitively understand this type of language but then you get lost in the accent and unfamiliar vocabulary.

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                    • PetarMKD
                      Junior Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 30

                      #11
                      Lol Macedonian with Athenian accent.

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                      • Onur
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2389

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                        The Pomaks in Eastern Aegean Macedonia and Thrace have won the right to broadcast news in their own native language?!? When will the Macedonians in the rest of Aegean Macedonia win the same right??? Also, who standardized the Pomak language for the news? Whose idea was it to use the Latin alphabet, the Greek government?
                        Actually they didn't win, correct term would be "awarded" cuz i am following eastern Thrace media and web sites and i read a lot of articles about Pomaks in eastern Thrace. Karazaferis and his gang in LAOS party demanded Pomak language broadcast in Greek tv channels, radio stations and they gave lots of letter of application to the parliamentary. They were saying that Pomaks should be set free from the "grasp of Turks"!!! They also have few pro-Greek Pomaks with them and founded associations for Pomaks and they spread stupid propaganda like they were supposedly an ancient Hellenic tribe!!! If you wanna see, i can find the brochures about that from archives of the websites.

                        They did same for christian Gagauz Turks in Greece and now they aim for Pomaks.

                        So, atm still the word "Turk, Turkish" is forbidden to use in Greece for any school or association and several people gone jail because of this but contrary, it`s encouraged to use "Pomak"!!!


                        Also Pomaks traditionally uses Cyrillic to write their own language but it looks like Greeks doesn't prefer that and they use some weird Greekish Pomak language speaker as an anchor.

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                        • Akzion
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 93

                          #13
                          I wonder where you saw the Greece influence and accent. They only use some Greek words for modern terms (e.g. police, antenna, strike, identity card etc).

                          Originally posted by Onur View Post
                          Actually they didn't win, correct term would be "awarded" cuz i am following eastern Thrace media and web sites and i read a lot of articles about Pomaks in eastern Thrace. Karazaferis and his gang in LAOS party demanded Pomak language broadcast in Greek tv channels, radio stations and they gave lots of letter of application to the parliamentary. They were saying that Pomaks should be set free from the "grasp of Turks"!!!
                          Pomaks are Bulgarian Muslims, but on several historical instances they were rather pro-Greek and/or pro-Turkish and anti-Bulgarian.
                          I don't think Greece intends to violate Lausanne Treaty, thus these people live in Greece and have a Turkish education. Their original language is mostly lost now and they are a (rather distinct) part of the Muslim minority of Thrace.
                          Originally posted by Onur View Post
                          So, atm still the word "Turk, Turkish" is forbidden to use in Greece for any school or association and several people gone jail because of this...
                          Can you mention one (1) of these several people?

                          Originally posted by Onur View Post
                          Also Pomaks traditionally uses Cyrillic to write their own language but it looks like Greeks doesn't prefer that and they use some weird Greekish Pomak language speaker as an anchor.
                          Pomaks don't have a tradition of... writing in their language using any alphabet. I believe a first dictionary of their supposed language appeared in the 90s. Of course Greeks don't want to admit this is basically a version of Bulgarian language (by the way, is it?) so it was often presented as a unique thing.

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                          • Ljubanec
                            Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 125

                            #14
                            I hear a combination of 'Bulgarian' and 'Greek' accents and stress in that Pomaks voice. So in general he sounds like he is speaking Macedonian and some Turkish with a stick up his ass ('Bulgarian') and a dildo down his throat (the 'Greek' contibution)..

                            The language sounds very harsh to my ears, just saying.

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                            • Onur
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 2389

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Akzion View Post
                              Pomaks are Bulgarian Muslims

                              Their original language is mostly lost now and they are a (rather distinct) part of the Muslim minority of Thrace.
                              Well, thats what Bulgaria state calls them but Pomaks in Turkey usually just refer themselves as Pomaks, without Bulgarian tag. I don't know western Thrace but afaik, at least half of Pomaks in Turkey can speak their language, so it`s not lost here.


                              Can you mention one (1) of these several people?
                              You know that several people gone to jail for referring themselves as Turkish, even a PM who had Turkish origins in early 90s. So, don't make me delve into the internet for it.



                              Pomaks don't have a tradition of... writing in their language using any alphabet. I believe a first dictionary of their supposed language appeared in the 90s. Of course Greeks don't want to admit this is basically a version of Bulgarian language (by the way, is it?) so it was often presented as a unique thing.
                              I don't know western Thrace but the ones in Turkey uses cyrillic. There are several researches about Pomak language in Turkey, mostly by Pomaks themselves. I remember that in one article, it was saying that Pomak language is similar with Bulgarian but some features of it exists in Macedonian but lacks in Bulgarian. It also has heavy usage of Turkish words. The scholar was saying that most of Pomaks believes that their language is the true old Bulgarian cuz Pomaks came to Turkey in 1878, before Russians started widespread education in Bulgaria with reformed style of today`s Bulgarian language. That`s what i remember from an article i`ve read b4.

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