Greek citizens are Moving into Macedonia

[johnMKD]

Sou eipa oti den tha emai open minded ? Apla mi mou kaneis to eksipno to stigmi pou vlepis oti yparxi epithesi enantion mou. Mpori na exeis tin Ellada grammeni alla oxi na mas poulas malakies. Signomi gia tin ekfrasi alla mou tin espases ligo.

Δεν έχω γραμμένη την Ελλάδα, φίλε μου. I would never do this. It is the place where I grew up and it's in me.
Go through my posts. I never insulted you or σου πούλησα μαλακίες. I asked you to be open minded for a region that you have never lived in and I'm glad you say you'll do that. That's all that it takes.

[Voltron]

Proxy server located outside of Greece Daskalot.

[Daskalot]

No I originate from the Midwest USA. I currently live in Athens

You live in Athens you say, strangly you IP seems to point in a whole other direction. Why is that?

[Voltron]

Τότε τί δεν κατάλαβες εσύ;; I just wrote that a lot of cultures have passed from our troubled region, with Vlachs being one of tehm. Go and read it again maybe. I'm not trying to prove anything to you, pal. I'm just asking you to be open minded.

Sou eipa oti den tha emai open minded ? Apla mi mou kaneis to eksipno to stigmi pou vlepis oti yparxi epithesi enantion mou. Mpori na exeis tin Ellada grammeni alla oxi na mas poulas malakies. Signomi gia tin ekfrasi alla mou tin espases ligo.

[johnMKD]

No your not fine. If I was to just say Vlachs in comparison to Hellenised Vlachs such as Sarakatsanoi then you would of gotten the wrong picture. Dont know what your trying to prove, but you dont have to prove it to me. katalaves ?

Τότε τί δεν κατάλαβες εσύ;; I just wrote that a lot of cultures have passed from our troubled region, with Vlachs being one of tehm. Go and read it again maybe. I'm not trying to prove anything to you, pal. I'm just asking you to be open minded.

[Vicki]

...lol

That's certainly not going to win you any favours with me...

That's a shame.

[Voltron]

No your not fine. If I was to just say Vlachs in comparison to Hellenised Vlachs such as Sarakatsanoi then you would of gotten the wrong picture. Dont know what your trying to prove, but you dont have to prove it to me. katalaves ?

[johnMKD]

I did not understand what you said John. Are you refuting Vlachs as Greeks ? You ok man ?

I'm fine, thanks.

First, you state that your cousins are HELLENISED vlachs and then you ask me if I am refuting Vlachs as Greeks. Are YOU ok man?

All I said is that you haven't lived in the region and you don't have experience about it.

[The LION will ROAR]

I do have relatives from the Kozani region. Hellenised Vlachs as are my cousins. But my primary ancestral home is from Constaninople and Peloponnese.

So where are all these Pure Greeks in Macedonia...?

Ilias Petropoulos on Macedonian and Greek Issues

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93654

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Take a look at Karamanlis for example. His mother is a Slavic speaker and his father is a Turkish speaker. How about Manolis Andronikos? How Greek is he? This is not an exception; this applies to every Modern Greek. Every Greek has his own non-Greek story. That is why "Greeks" like these have an inferiority complex and need to boast about their Greek-ness, need to play the "super patriot card" and hold lectures on patriotism.

[Voltron]

I did not understand what you said John. Are you refuting Vlachs as Greeks ? You ok man ?

[Voltron]

Lets continue down this suggested option of yours.
I a proud Macedonian from the Aegean have decided to go and baptize my son with a Macedonian name. So he does not have to pretend like me, I have a Greek name but only use it in official matters, at home and with friends I go by my Macedonian one.
Said and done, I went to Bitola and baptized him. I also reverted his last name to our old family name.
Now I need to apply for some official documents in my son's name, passport and the like. Can my son even be a Greek citizen without a Greek name and last name?
What will happen, will this whole scenario even be possible to do?
Please give us your thoughts Voltron.

As a matter of fact you can. I personally went through the process myself. I was given my full Greek name when I became a citizen. I prefered to use my First and Last American name ( My last name was shortened in the USA, my dad changed it when he arrived ) I was born with my US last name and lived with it all my life until I became a Greek citizen. The Greek municipality does not recognize any changes made in a foreign country ( which make sense ). I went through the name change process and after 6 months it was done. Nothing was said to me. I only had to write the reason why I wanted it change and they had to do a background check to make sure I wasnt a criminal trying to hide from the law. Today I have my anglosized name on my Greek ID. I can give you more details on how its done if you like.

[johnMKD]

I do have relatives from the Kozani region. Hellenised Vlachs as are my cousins. But my primary ancestral home is from Constaninople and Peloponnese.

My point exactly. So you have nothing to do with Macedonia, since your relatives are Vlachs. Try to be more open on what might has actually happened to a region that has seen all Turks, Bulgarians, Greeks, Macedonians, Vlachs etc etc over the centuries.

[Voltron]

I mean do you have any connection to the Macedonian region? You come from the USA and you live in Athens. But do your ancestors have something to do with Macedonia?

I do have relatives from the Kozani region. Hellenised Vlachs as are my cousins. But my primary ancestral home is from Constaninople and Peloponnese.

[Daskalot]

You do have options Mikail. If you dont like Greek Orthodox then dont go. Go to Macedonia one day and baptise your child there and completely disregard the Greek Church. Why is that not doable ?

Lets continue down this suggested option of yours.
I a proud Macedonian from the Aegean have decided to go and baptize my son with a Macedonian name. So he does not have to pretend like me, I have a Greek name but only use it in official matters, at home and with friends I go by my Macedonian one.
Said and done, I went to Bitola and baptized him. I also reverted his last name to our old family name.
Now I need to apply for some official documents in my son's name, passport and the like. Can my son even be a Greek citizen without a Greek name and last name?
What will happen, will this whole scenario even be possible to do?
Please give us your thoughts Voltron.

[johnMKD]

No I originate from the Midwest USA. I currently live in Athens

I mean do you have any connection to the Macedonian region? You come from the USA and you live in Athens. But do your ancestors have something to do with Macedonia?