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  • TrueMacedonian
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3820

    The Ohrid Framework Agreement



    Here is something from the link above:

    4.3. Interethnic educational situation after Ohrid


    Ethnic segregation has grown since the armed conflict in 2001. And Macedonia’s education system is the most visible symbol of this development. It allows different ethnic groups to study separately and parallel systems of education in various languages have developed and are supported at each level. There has been very little movement in the direction of bi- or multi-lingual education. The term ‘bilingual education’ is not used in either the old constitution or in the OFA.
    Taking advantage of opportunities offered by this system, different ethnic groups attend separate classes at preschool, primary and secondary school levels, where they are taught solely in their native tongue except for the obligatory Macedonian lessons. Since 2004 there has been a new third state university, which belongs to the Albanian community with courses in the Albanian language. Even in ethnically mixed schools, where all students study under the same roof, separation and lack of communication between different ethnic groups is the norm during breaks and extracurricular activities. Most schools schedule different “school shifts” for different ethnic groups to avoid conflict situations.
    The commencing institutionalisation of segregated education by setting up separate school administrations in some cases, where they were once joint, is extremely dangerous. This means that teachers of different ethnic groups have little or no contact with each other. Ethnically split parents’ councils do not cooperate effectively. Above all, there is the assumption that the ministry is also ethnically split. In interviews it became clear that even at the ministerial level communication does not function well. In addition, there is a worrisome trend of insufficient learning of the state language. Some ethnic minorities groups show increasing resentment of having to study the language of the “other”, which is often perceived as “an act of weakness”.
    Education-related conflicts emerged after the parliamentary elections in 2002. Several demonstrations were arranged, predominantly from the Secondary School Student Union of Macedonia, which have been influenced by the Slavic opposition party. Disputes over secondary level education emerged in Skopje, Bitola and Kumanovo. In 2003, numerous physical fights between students in Skopje forced the police to take special measures to prevent such incidents. School conflicts are highly politicised and they are radicalising the young generation. The provocative changing of names of schools, from former Slavic names to Albanian ones and the placing of controversial monuments, especially in the western part of the country, are increasing interethnic tensions. The fight between the ethnic groups for the national identity is to extending to the education sector and is distributed at the local level.
    Summing up, the forward-looking OFA pacified the country but did not dispel the underlying problems in the complex conflict structure of Macedonian society. Although educational policy was always a major problem between the two largest ethnic communities in the RM, it is nearly untouched in the Agreement.
    Today it is obvious that the implementation of the agreement increasingly divides the main ethnic groups. On the one hand, the Macedonian population is dissatisfied in spite of all the concessions. On the other hand, the Albanian community claims that the implementation is undermined by delays and lack of (political) will. In addition to this, their expectation that they would achieve an equal position in the state, in which they were considered to be a non-majority, has not been met.
    The increasingly worrying politicisation of the education issue and the danger that separation along ethnic lines might continue has not been sufficiently addressed at the state level. The consequence of the physical separation is that children are growing up in territorial and educational isolation, in a deeply politicised environment. Prejudices and stereotypes become more entrenched and there is an increasing tendency for Albanians from predominantly Albanian areas not to speak the state language fluently. This will put members of minority groups “in a position of linguistic and professional ghettoisation”. Otherwise, there are hardly any ethnic Macedonians, who are able to speak Albanian. Seeing that after the implementation of the OFA and the new language rights mostly everything is bilingual, communication could become more difficult at all levels.
    Nevertheless, it is unlikely that the decentralisation approach, one core element of the OFA and a non-negotiable process for further EU integration, will be able to de-escalate the ethnic tensions in the educational sector. Instead of passing sustainable laws, which guarantee the inter-ethnic balance, “it seems the decentralisation implementation is used as a mean for speeding EU accession, rather than as a goal in itself“. Political parties influenced the reforms implemented in the educational policy. The political party decision-making is superimposed on all other spheres of social life; this is directly linked with widespread corruption and nepotism. As long as the political elites are only protecting the interests of their own ethnic groups, the interethnic situation will not change for the better. On the contrary, the development of a national identity is prevented by the identity policy of the parties to the conflict, promoting differences at the local level; this, in turn, creates a culture of cronyism.
    The new power-sharing system, attributed to the OFA, cannot function effectively in such an environment. Decentralisation seems to be a universal remedy for the EU. But it is not. The agreement creates specific new consequences without, however, providing structures for their solution. Decentralisation has been able to freeze neither interethnic segregation nor politicisation and these will continue to be transferred from the state to the local level.
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  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    #2
    How utterly disgusting. In a world where apartheid has been rightly shunned, Macedonia's UN, USA & EU masters have deemed it a sensible approach in Macedonia.

    BAN APARTHEID NOW!

    Can someone show me where the Macedonian toilets are please?
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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    • TrueMacedonian
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 3820

      #3


      6. Culture, Education and Use of Languages

      6.1. The parties invite the international community, including the OSCE, to increase its assistance for projects in the area of media in order to further strengthen radio, TV and print media, including Albanian language and multiethnic media. The parties also invite the international community to increase professional media training programs for members of communities not in the majority in Macedonia. The parties also invite the OSCE to continue its efforts on projects designed to improve inter-ethnic relations.

      6.2. The parties invite the international community to provide assistance for the implementation of the Framework Agreement in the area of higher education.

      Soros' Open Society in Macedonia promotes school textbooks. Here's his org's website that says it all in bold.

      One of the largest philanthropic organizations in the world, we care about freedom, democracy, and human rights.


      Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia
      Visit the Site: http://www.soros.org.mk

      The Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia works to foster a society that is more tolerant, democratic, integrated with Europe, and composed of informed and educated citizens. Among its major priorities are increasing civic participation in politics, supporting the rights of Roma and other vulnerable populations, and promoting regional cooperation on issues ranging from human rights to social science education.

      To improve education for Roma youth, the foundation administers the Roma Education Program, an initiative developed by OSI and funded by USAID that has helped bring about substantial increases in high school graduation rates and college enrollment among Macedonian Roma. In a broader effort to promote tolerance and social inclusion of all minorities, the foundation has led a public education campaign financed by the European Commission that celebrates Macedonia’s multicultural heritage.

      The foundation has also focused on promoting the rights of people with mental disabilities. In collaboration with OSI’s Mental Health Initiative, it has worked with the Ministry of Labor and Social Policy to initiate a human rights–based approach to mental health care that aims to phase out institutionalization and help integrate people with mental disabilities into society.

      The foundation is also engaged in multicountry research and education initiatives, such as an assessment of human rights in Croatia and Macedonia relative to EU norms, and a project to create four new history textbooks that were developed by 60 historians from 11 countries and which use an inclusive, multiethnic approach to pedagogy.



      Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia
      Bul. Jane Sandanski 111, P.O.B. 378
      Skopje 1000
      Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of
      (389 2) 2 44 44 88
      (389 2) 2 44 44 99
      [email protected]
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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        #4
        In addition, there is a worrisome trend of insufficient learning of the state language. Some ethnic minorities groups show increasing resentment of having to study the language of the “other”, which is often perceived as “an act of weakness”.
        One must be careful when saying the "State Language" they are apparently fighting words.

        But taking a step WAY back, what is wrong with learning the State language and how do Macedonians think is a reasonable outcome?
        Nevertheless, it is unlikely that the decentralisation approach, one core element of the OFA and a non-negotiable process for further EU integration, will be able to de-escalate the ethnic tensions in the educational sector. Instead of passing sustainable laws, which guarantee the inter-ethnic balance, “it seems the decentralisation implementation is used as a mean for speeding EU accession, rather than as a goal in itself“.
        There is no doubt about this, the recent EU Parliament resolution (that the likes of the UMD failed to make a whimper about) made it clear that this is definitely an EU pre-requisite.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
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        • Pelister
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2742

          #5
          Thats an outstanding connection you have been between the Soros agenda in Macedonia, and the Framework Agreement. The other thing I noticed was that the E.U had made the implementation of the 'Accord' one of its conditions for Macedonia's road to 'Integration' (It should read 'disintergration') into the E.U.

          Nevertheless, it is unlikely that the decentralisation approach, one core element of the OFA and a non-negotiable process for further EU integration, will be able to de-escalate the ethnic tensions in the educational sector. Instead of passing sustainable laws, which guarantee the inter-ethnic balance, “it seems the decentralisation implementation is used as a mean for speeding EU accession, rather than as a goal in itself“.
          Last edited by Pelister; 12-06-2010, 07:28 PM.

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          • indigen
            Senior Member
            • May 2009
            • 1558

            #6
            The following is a related thread that has a lot of information about the FA and Macedonian community (and prominent individual) responses to it (in Macedonian and English):

            Shto e Ohridskiot ramkoven dogovor? Iznuden akt na kapitulatsiya na porazena strana

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            The article below was published in Makedonsko Sonce (Forum section) prior to 15 January 2001, before the UCK truly came into view and made their demands clear, by Zhivko Daskalovski (Zhidas) and, IMO, the outline of the FA can be clearly identified. Is there a SOROS connection here?

            Activities
            The president of CRPM, Zhidas Daskalovski presented at a round table on think tank development in the region held in Podgorica. ...
            www.crpm.org.mk/Activities.htm -

            ДА ГО РЕДЕФИНИРАМЕ МАКЕДОНСКИОТ НАЦИОНАЛИЗАМ

            Жидас Даскаловски

            Македонскиот национализам има потреба од редефиниција. Во својата сегашна форма, каде што тој, во најголем дел, се базира врз напорите на етничките Македонци, нема изгледи на успех. Соочен со четири антагонистички национализми, само прашање на време е кога тој ќе биде поразен. Македонството за жал, во времето на СФРЈ, долги години беше искоренувано, потиснувано и денеска е далеку од својата витална форма од почетокот на минатиот век. Од друга страна пак, национализмите на соседните држави, се консолидираа(т) или зајакнуваа(т). Продорот на бугарскиот национализам во Македонија со промената на власта во 1998 година е повеќе од очигледен. Сведоци сме на еден парадокс дека, бугарскиот национализам кој во минатото ги покажуваше своите антимакедонски заби во самата Бугарија, и преку разноразните академски писанија ширум светот, денеска е активен и на македонска почва. Грчкиот национализам со несмалена жештина удира по македонското малцинство во Егејска Македонија, но исто така, што за нас е уште поважно, пенетрира во Македонија, преку економскиот фактор. Зашто, да не се лажеме, економската зависност лесно може да се трансформира во политичка. И додека српскиот национализам е преокупиран со проблемите на самата Србија и на Косово, албанскиот национализам е во еден невиден раст. Да биде ситуацијата уште потрагична, агресивниот албански национализам е вешто координиран во триаголникот Тирана- Тетово- Приштина. Од тој аспект гледано, бројноста на Албанците на Балканот, нивната висока стапка на природен пораст и романтичката занесеност за борба (се разбира, и вооружена ако треба) за одбрана на албанските историски и национални интереси се голема закана за Македонија. Така, заради ситуација во која се наоѓа, подобро е македонскиот национализам да се предефинира одколку, губитникот да биде не само самиот тој, туку и етничкиот Македонец и Македонија.

            Но, каква преобразба имам на ум и зошто сметам дека таа е потребна во овој момент? Македонскиот национализам треба да биде либерално поставен, да се базира на државниот, а не на етничкиот елемент во Македонија. Поставен во вакви рамки тој влече сила од сите граѓани на Република Македонија, а не само од етничките Македонци. Вака поставен македонскиот национализам е горд на мултикултурната поставеност на земјава и на добрите односи на македонскиот народ со малцинствата. Македонија како земја на сите нејзини граѓани, држава која е фер кон различните концепции, идеологии, религии, култури на сите своите жители е подлога на редефинираниот македонски национализам. За многу етнички Македонци, преиспитувањето на уставната поставеност на Македонија во членовите кои се однесуваат на карактерот на државата (тука го имам предвид не само членот на преамбулата кој говори "чија е Македонија", туку и да речеме членот во Уставот кој ја опишува религиозната поставеност на земјава), како и промената на Законот за високо образование, доследната примена на квотите за упис на националностите во институциите за високо образование, вработувањето на кадри на малцинствата во јавните служби и Владата, е или допрва ќе биде проблематично. Меѓутоа, тие треба да сфатат дека либералниот концепт на македонската држава и национализам е вистинското решение за натрупаните проблеми со кои се соочуваме. Романтизирањето на Македонија со поврзувањето на нејзините институции со "историските достигнувања на македонскиот народ" е анахрона работа, а тврдиот став кон мултикултурните амбиции на малцинствата пак, е српски рецепт за пропаст. Значи, предлагам, не само да се удостојат некои од барањата, да речеме на македонските Албанци, туку и да одиме и чекор понатаму, да ја конституираме Македонија како вистинска мултикултурна заедница. Кога велам мултикултурна не мислам само на културите на етничките групи во земјава, ами и на различноста на општествено-маргинизираните сегменти, на хомосексуалците, конзументите на дрога, жените, зелените, "сектите" и други. Не може македонскиот национализам да очекува поддршка од хомосексуалците ако државата зазема став дека хомосексуалните акти се незаконски. Исто така не може да се очекува поддршка од конзументите на дрога кога нив државата законски ги гони (се разбира друго е прашањето за кривичното гонење на дилерите). Како може Македонија да промовира чувство на почит кон државата ако историските учебници максимално се сконцентрирани на историјата на етничките Македонци. Која е улогата на македонските Албанци, Турци, во нашата историја? Како се чувствува еден македонски Турчин кога страници и страници во историските учебници се посветени на клетите Турци, на негативното влијание на турското ропство во Македонија? Што граѓаните-припадници на "секти"?

            Единствено кога сите граѓани на Македонија ќе се чувствуваат удобно дома, кога ќе сметаат дека државата е моја исто колку што е негова, кога ќе сметаат дека таа ги третира сите жители еднакво, тогаш тие ќе можат да станат и да ја бранат ваквата држава. Тогаш македонскиот национализам ќе биде засилен од поддршката на сите граѓани на Македонија. Тогаш, западните земји, наместо да ни праќаат "мисионери" кои го проверуваат нашето ниво на демократичност, ќе праќаат тука студенти кои ќе се учат на добриот пример на мултикултурна Македонија. Да не забораваме, држави од самиот тој Запад се се уште далеку од вистински правичното мултикултурно општество. Македонија како светилник во мракот, како земја-урнек, решение за новиот век. Не само што тогаш ќе можеме да забрзаме во евроинтеграциските процеси, ами и ќе имаме уште поголема морална супериорност во однос на нашите соседи (за нивниот третман на малцинствата нема потреба да се зборува). Либерална Македонија, со неутрална влада, како еден јавен сервис на граѓаните чинам е единствениот спас за сите нас. Македонскиот национализам кој тежнее кон ваква Македонија, и кон зачувувањето на нејзините државни интереси е редефиниран, но успешен национализам. Другата страна од медалот е веќе видена, досадна, но и опасна работа- упади на специјалци на МВР во приватни куќи без судски налог, апсење новинари, поставување на гигантски крстови на Водно, сослушување на судии и слично. Јас сум за првата варијанта, а вие?

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            Raw Google Translation:

            The Redefinition of MACEDONIAN NATIONALISM

            Zhidas (Zhivko) Daskalovski

            Macedonian nationalism is in need of redefinition. In its present form, where he, for the most part, based on the efforts of the ethnic Macedonians, no prospect of success. Faced with four antagonistic nationalisms just a matter of time before he would be defeated. Makedonstvoto unfortunately, at the time of Yugoslavia, was for many years eradicate, suppress and today is far from its vital form from early last century. On the other hand, the nationalism of the neighboring countries, consolidate (t) or improve (t). Penetration of Bulgarian nationalism in Macedonia with the change of power in 1998 is more than obvious. We are witnessing a paradox that Bulgarian nationalism in the past showed its teeth in the anti-Macedonian Bulgaria, and through academic writings raznoraznite worldwide, and today is active on Macedonian soil. Greek nationalism with nesmalena heat beats on the Macedonian minority in Aegean Macedonia, but also for us is more, penetrate into Macedonia by economic factors. For, not to deceive, economic dependence can be easily transformed into political. And while Serbian nationalism is preoccupied with the problems of the Serbian and Kosovo Albanian nationalism is an unprecedented growth. To be more tragic situation, aggressive Albanian nationalism is skillfully coordinated the triangle Tirana Tetovo Pristina. From that point of view, the number of Albanians in the Balkans, their high rate of natural growth and romantichkata thirst for battle (of course, armed if necessary) for the Defense of the Albanian historical and national interests are a major threat to Macedonia. Thus, for a situation in which it is located, it is better to Macedonian nationalism than redefine, loser to be not only himself but also the ethnic Macedonians and Macedonia.

            But what kind of transformation I have in mind and why I think it is necessary at this point? Macedonian nationalism should be liberally positioned to be based on the state and not the ethnic element in Macedonia. Placed in such a framework that draws strength from all citizens of Macedonia, not only by ethnic Macedonians. This charming Macedonian nationalism is proud of the multicultural structure of the country and good relations with the Macedonian people minorities. Macedonia as a country of all its citizens, a state that is fair to different concepts, ideologies, religions, cultures of all its citizens is the foundation of the redefined Macedonian nationalism. For many ethnic Macedonians, a reassessment of the constitutional position of Macedonia in the articles concerning the nature of the state (here I have in mind not only paragraph of the preamble which speaks of 'which is Macedonia, but to say the Constitution article that describes religious structure the country) and change the Law on Higher Education, consistent application of quotas for minority enrollment in institutions of higher education, employment of personnel of national minorities in public services and government, is or will still be problematic. But they should realize that the liberal concept of the Macedonian state and nationalism is the right solution for accrued problems we face. Romantiziranjeto Macedonia by linking its institutions with the historical achievements of the Macedonian people "is anahrona work hard and multicultural attitude towards the aspirations of minorities, Serbian is a recipe for disaster. So, I suggest, not only to some of the worthy requests, say the Macedonian Albanians, but to go a step further, to establish the real Macedonia as a multicultural community. When I say I do not think multicultural only the cultures of ethnic groups in the country, but also the diversity of socio-marginiziranite segments, gays, drug consumers, women, green, "sects" and others. Macedonian nationalism can not expect support from gays if the state takes the position that homosexual acts are illegal. Also can not expect support from the consumers of drugs when they pursue the state law (of course another matter for the criminal prosecution of dealers). How can Macedonia to promote a sense of respect for the state if the maximum historical textbooks are concentrated on the history of ethnic Macedonians. What is the role of the Macedonian Albanians, Turks, in our history? Feels Like a Macedonian Turk when pages and pages in the history textbooks are devoted to damned Turks, the negative impact of Turks in Macedonia? As citizens, members of "sects"?

            Only when all citizens of Macedonia will feel comfortably at home, when you consider that my country is the same as his, when you consider that she treats all people equally, then they will be able to stand up and defend this country. The Macedonian nationalism will be strengthened by the support of all citizens of Macedonia. Then, western countries, instead of us sending "missionaries" who check our level of democracy, will send students here to teach the good example of multicultural Macedonia. Do not forget, leaders from the West that are still far from equitable truly multicultural society. Macedonia as a beacon in the darkness, as a template, a solution for the new century. Not only then we can accelerate the integration processes, but also will have greater moral superiority over our neighbors (in their treatment of minorities is no need to talk). Liberal Macedonia, neutral government, as a public service to the citizens I think is the only salvation for us all. Macedonian nationalism that tends to such Macedonia, and to preserve its national interests has been redefined, but successful nationalism. The other side of the medal has already been seen, dull, and dangerous work, the incursions of the Interior Ministry special forces in private homes without warrant, arrest journalists, putting giant crosses the water, hearing the judges and the like. I'm the first option, and you?
            Last edited by indigen; 12-06-2010, 08:07 PM.

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            • blackcactus
              Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 242

              #7
              This situation is not good for the Albanian Macedonians, this policy is isolating future generations of Albanian Macedonians into a life of poverty and conflict, once they have no ability to participate in the wider Macedonian community they will turn further into crime, their families and communities will suffer

              The Macedonians will be less hurt by this, but the crime, poverty and tension from a poorly integrated Albanian community will continue to slow down Macedonia's overall progress economically and socially

              This policy has to be changed, respect for heritage is important, but education aimed at practical cohabitation is crucial to economic and social improvements, if practical tools for cohabitation are ignored then a decrease in the quality of life will probably materialize particularly in poorly integrated minority communities

              The Albanian Macedonian education system is condemning Albanian children to a life of poverty and crime
              The one who tells the story rules the World - Hopi proverb

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              • indigen
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 1558

                #8
                Originally posted by blackcactus View Post
                This situation is not good for the Albanian Macedonians, this policy is isolating future generations of Albanian Macedonians into a life of poverty and conflict, once they have no ability to participate in the wider Macedonian community they will turn further into crime, their families and communities will suffer

                The Macedonians will be less hurt by this, but the crime, poverty and tension from a poorly integrated Albanian community will continue to slow down Macedonia's overall progress economically and socially

                This policy has to be changed, respect for heritage is important, but education aimed at practical cohabitation is crucial to economic and social improvements, if practical tools for cohabitation are ignored then a decrease in the quality of life will probably materialize particularly in poorly integrated minority communities

                The Albanian Macedonian education system is condemning Albanian children to a life of poverty and crime
                The Ghegs may beg to differ with you and they may have some valid arguments on their side as well. The only problem I see is Ghegs learning Tosk at the expense of their native tongue but otherwise I see no difference between someone opening a factory in Tetovo, Prishtina or Tirana - it is all Albanian to them. After all Albanian (Tosk) serves far more people than literary Macedonian does and there probably is far more world literature translated in it and that is available for study than what Macedonians have available to them. You may have a valid claim only in areas where "Albanians" (Tosks) are an insignificant minority, such as in Bitola, and if they do not learn Macedonian to a desired level. But is that the case in Bitola and surrounds?

                Secondly, FA has guaranteed state employment proportional to population representation and they will obtain those jobs regardless of qualification standards.

                Lastly, Macedonia is not getting much investments and it is the Macedonian regions that are doing more poorly economically and historically have had less state capital infrastructure investments. The real problem we Macedonians have is not the "disadvantage" the Ghegs will have because of the FA but rather that we are losing OUR COUNTRY via ALBANISATION!
                Last edited by indigen; 12-06-2010, 09:33 PM.

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                • Risto the Great
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15658

                  #9
                  Originally posted by indigen View Post
                  After all Albanian (Tosk) serves far more people than literary Macedonian does and there probably is far more world literature translated in it and that available for study than what Macedonians have available to them.
                  Agreed. Blackcactus, there is no downside whatsoever for ethnic Albanians in Macedonia if they choose to ignore Macedonians. In fact, this policy is isolating future generations of Macedonians into a life of poverty and conflict.
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                  • TrueMacedonian
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3820

                    #10
                    Is there a SOROS connection here?
                    There is a connection between Soros' Open Society in Macedonia and Zhidas Daskalovski: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

                    Here's something directly from Soros' Open Society website about the Center for Research and Policy Making the very organization that Daskalovski is president of. Note something hilarious below which I found not only funny but ironic that they would have that in their website.

                    One of the largest philanthropic organizations in the world, we care about freedom, democracy, and human rights.


                    Core and Institutional Support to Policy Research Centers

                    Center for Research and Policy Making
                    2005


                    The Center for Research and Policy Making (CRPM) is an independent, nonprofit policy research institute founded in March 2004. CRPM consists of local researchers as well as external consultants in close contact with the organization. It offers timely, provocative policy analysis on the most pertinent issues.

                    CRPM has no "hidden agenda" but works to promote democratization and economic transformation of the country. It has no party, political or any other organizational affiliation. CRPM develops a new style of policy analysis based on set of principles and serves as a forum for young Macedonians to acquire and apply knowledge and skills for evidence based research and policy analysis. The organization considers peace and stability as the first principles that should reign in the Balkan countries, and believes that the major political goal of Macedonia is the integration with the European Union.

                    Macedonia | 3 Years | www.crpm.org.mk
                    Last edited by TrueMacedonian; 12-06-2010, 10:58 PM.
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                    • indigen
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 1558

                      #11
                      Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
                      There is a connection between Soros' Open Society in Macedonia and Zhidas Daskalovski: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us
                      ZD started the following yahoo group in 2001 and was well connected and respected in those circles (though having read his thesis on Macedonian ethnogenesis, I was fuming and wondered what was wrong with the Macedonian intelligentsia): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mkakademija/

                      Worth doing further investigation into his scholarship sponsors, if any, and who is funding this CPRM organisation. I can not see (or easily find) any info on funding.
                      Last edited by indigen; 12-07-2010, 01:12 AM.

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                      • TrueMacedonian
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3820

                        #12
                        Besides the following info from Soro' Open Society about the CPRM:

                        One of the largest philanthropic organizations in the world, we care about freedom, democracy, and human rights.


                        Core and Institutional Support to Policy Research Centers

                        Center for Research and Policy Making
                        2005


                        The Center for Research and Policy Making (CRPM) is an independent, nonprofit policy research institute founded in March 2004. CRPM consists of local researchers as well as external consultants in close contact with the organization. It offers timely, provocative policy analysis on the most pertinent issues.

                        CRPM has no "hidden agenda" but works to promote democratization and economic transformation of the country. It has no party, political or any other organizational affiliation. CRPM develops a new style of policy analysis based on set of principles and serves as a forum for young Macedonians to acquire and apply knowledge and skills for evidence based research and policy analysis. The organization considers peace and stability as the first principles that should reign in the Balkan countries, and believes that the major political goal of Macedonia is the integration with the European Union.

                        Macedonia | 3 Years | www.crpm.org.mk


                        There is also the PASOS organization that Zhidas Daskalovski is affiliated with that George Soros has been involved with and donates to unconditionally. Here's another connection: http://www.pasos.org/www-pasosmember...unding-members

                        and on the left hand side of the site you will see PASOS Members by country click Macedonia and see whos name pops up immediately. None other than Dr. Daskalovski.
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                        • indigen
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 1558

                          #13
                          Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
                          Besides the following info from Soro' Open Society about the CPRM:

                          One of the largest philanthropic organizations in the world, we care about freedom, democracy, and human rights.


                          Core and Institutional Support to Policy Research Centers

                          Center for Research and Policy Making
                          2005


                          The Center for Research and Policy Making (CRPM) is an independent, nonprofit policy research institute founded in March 2004. CRPM consists of local researchers as well as external consultants in close contact with the organization. It offers timely, provocative policy analysis on the most pertinent issues.

                          CRPM has no "hidden agenda" but works to promote democratization and economic transformation of the country. It has no party, political or any other organizational affiliation. CRPM develops a new style of policy analysis based on set of principles and serves as a forum for young Macedonians to acquire and apply knowledge and skills for evidence based research and policy analysis. The organization considers peace and stability as the first principles that should reign in the Balkan countries, and believes that the major political goal of Macedonia is the integration with the European Union.

                          Macedonia | 3 Years | www.crpm.org.mk


                          There is also the PASOS organization that Zhidas Daskalovski is affiliated with that George Soros has been involved with and donates to unconditionally. Here's another connection: http://www.pasos.org/www-pasosmember...unding-members

                          and on the left hand side of the site you will see PASOS Members by country click Macedonia and see whos name pops up immediately. None other than Dr. Daskalovski.
                          Well done, TM. As you can see above, CRPM had a 3 year sponsorship starting 2005 and which would have ended in 2008 but there is no further funding details found on the above link. Is this org now self-funding or are there funding sources that need to be found/disclosed?

                          Below info shows a similar named organisation was created in 2008 but I can not see who makes up its executive:

                          Grantees
                          < Grantees

                          Center for Regional Policies Research and Cooperation Studiorum
                          2008

                          A grant to support CRPRC Studiorum, a non-governmental think-tank working on economic and social aspects of EU integration and globalization processes that are of essential importance for the Republic of Macedonia and the countries of Southeast Europe. This mission is accomplished through different policy-oriented programs and research projects, which contribute to and complement the attempts of policy-makers is policy design and implementation, and support central and local governments, business and nongovernmental sectors in their communication and cooperation. Studiorum has 4 departments: public health, environmental considerations, social inclusion and poverty reduction, and new media and the society.

                          Macedonia | studiorum.org.mk

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                          • Soldier of Macedon
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 13674

                            #14
                            Here is a snapshot of how things were prior to the Framework Agreement:



                            U.S. English Foundation Research, MACEDONIA, Language Research

                            6. Language in everyday life: The use of language in everyday life, e.g. education, broadcasting, and other Pre-school and primary education is available in the Macedonian, Albanian, Turkish, and Serbian languages. In 1995, extracurricular instruction was started in the Vlach language. In 1996, optional education in the Romany language started at four elementary schools, although there has been no call for a full curriculum. There are optional courses organized in Romany to train teaching staff in this language.

                            Secondary education in Macedonia is not compulsory. Instruction at this level is carried out in Macedonian, Albanian and Turkish. The number of ethnic minority students who receive secondary education in their mother tongues is increasing. Still, most students from ethnic minorities do not go on to high school.

                            At the university level, ethnic minorities are under-represented, but there has been much progress in increasing the number of ethnic minority applicants and students since 1991. Albanian and Turkish-language university education exists, but there remains a lack of qualified teaching staff. Additionally, it is possible to study Serbian as a subject. At the higher levels of education there is a significant lack of minority females. The Albanian population exemplifies the relatively small interest in continuing education in the minority groups.

                            TV and radio broadcasting exists in all minority languages. Newspapers and magazines are also published. There is a Theatre of National Minorities in Skopje where Albanian and Turkish drama is still active. Cultural Associations funded by minorities are partly State financed.

                            Members of national minorities participate in State administration (the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Interior, the Ministry of Education) and in the judiciary as well. Although provisions towards complete and effective equality between minorities and the majority is not always satisfactory from the minority point of view.

                            Representatives of minorities are elected to the Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia. A total of 15 political parties represent the interests of the national minorities (1997).
                            And how things are after the Framework Agreement:
                            Updated (September 2002)

                            The Macedonian national TV has just launched a multiethnic channel, which will broadcast programs in the Albanian, Turk, Vlach and Roma language for twelve hours a day. The new TV channel allows Albanian speakers to watch ten hours daily in their mother tongue while Turkish and Roma minority get two hours of broadcasting daily in their language.

                            Source: Eurolang, www.eurolang.net, Brussels, August 29, 2002, by Margret Oberhofer
                            Updated (May 2003)

                            THE ALBANIANS

                            The Albanians are the biggest national minority in Macedonia. According to the internationally monitored Census in 1994, the Albanians constituted 22.7-23.0 percent of the total population. The Albanian political leaders do not accept these figures and claim that the real number of their ethnic brethren is between 441,000 and 443,000 people. This discrepancy is caused by a very restrictive Citizenship Law, which requires 15 years of permanent residence in Macedonia, thus denying citizenship to approximately 100,000 ethnic Albanians. This law affected many Albanians previously living in other parts of former Yugoslavia. Because of that, these people are not eligible for citizenship and, thus, cannot participate in censuses and elections.

                            The Albanians in Macedonia enjoy a number of political rights. Since Macedonia's independence, Albanians have been constantly represented at the central governmental level.1 As for the local-government level, in the municipalities where the Albanians make up the majority of the population (Tetovo, Gostivar and Debar) there are only Albanian mayors.

                            The cultural rights of the Albanians in Macedonia have also been protected. Albanians can attend the public primary and secondary schools in their language. As far as university education is concerned, the state faculties of pedagogy, linguistics and drama at Skopje University offer their programs in Albanian. Recently, the Albanians have been given the right to establish private universities in their mother tongue so the tri-lingual Southeast European University was established in Tetovo (see also below).2

                            Until the constitutional changes of November 2001, the Albanians had the right to defend themselves in courts in Albanian, to register for birth and marriage certificates in their mother tongue, as well as to use Albanian together with Macedonian as the official language in the municipalities where they constitute the majority. With the new constitutional changes of 2001, the use of the Albanian language has been extended to Parliament and to communication with the central government.

                            THE SOUTHEAST EUROPEAN UNIVERSITY IN TETOVO

                            The first private university, the Southeast European University (SEEU), started operating on November 20, 2001 in Tetovo. This happened only several days after the constitutional changes based on the Ohrid Framework Agreement. In a colloquial language this university is called "the Max van der Stoel College" after the name of the OSCE's High Commissioner on National Minorities, who for three years dedicated a serious amount of energy to develop this project.

                            Source: Center for Documentation and Information on Minorities in Europe, Southeast Europe (CEDIME-SE), Minorities in Southeast Europe, Albanians of Macedonia, April 2002, http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/pdf/cedi...-albanians.doc



                            1 Either the Party for Democratic Prosperity (PDP) the participant in a coalition with the Social Democrats (former communists) until 1998, or the more radical Democratic Party of the Albanians (DPA) a coalition partner of the Macedonian nationalist VMRO-DPMNE

                            2 The Southeast European University in Tetovo, the first private university offering classes in Albanian, Macedonian, English and other European languages, was opened in November 2001.
                            Updated (February 2004)

                            TETOVO UNIVERSITY

                            Prior to Tetovo University was founded in 1995, the only opportunity for ethnic Albanians to acquire higher education in their language had been Pristina's University in the neighboring Serbian province of Kosovo. However, the regime of Slobodan Milosevic did not support Albanian-language education. In 1991, the number of ethnic Albanians from Macedonia attending higher education institutions in Serbia dramatically decreased.

                            The opening of Tetovo University in 1995 was marred by violence. When the Macedonian police closed the University two days later, violent clashes erupted, bringing 5,000 Albanians to the streets. One person was killed and 15 others were injured. Following the demonstrations, a rector Sulejmani was sentenced to two and a half years in prison but released nine months later.

                            As the university was closed, classes continued to be held in private buildings arranged by wealthy local Albanians.

                            Some 500 students have already graduated from Tetovo University though with unrecognized diplomas. They were promised that once the government granted the official status to Tetovo University, their diplomas would become legitimate. The Macedonian government; however, has indicated that the diplomas will not be recognized until 2005, after being evaluated and compared with the existing state educational programs.

                            THE PROCESS OF RECOGNITION

                            For nearly a decade the debate over the legal status of Albanian-language Tetovo University has been one of Macedonia's most divisive issues. Finally in June 2003, the government had agreed to recognize this institution as the country's third state university. However, a December seven-day marathon session in the Parliament ended without the final solution. The government's decision to recognize officially and to finance Tetovo University should have been approved at that session but the Parliamentary President Ljupco Jordanovski interrupted it by the statement that this controversial issue had been blocking parliament's other work long enough. The session was resumed on January 15.

                            Opponents of this idea say legalizing the Albanian-language Tetovo University is tantamount to condoning segregation, while proponents argue it promotes equality.

                            The university has been the symbol of the ethnic-Albanians' struggle for their rights since it was forced underground by the government (immediately after its opening in 1995). For Albanian students, the ban on the University meant denying their right to higher education thus further prevented them from occupying the posts in the country's governance.

                            On the other hand, ethnic Macedonians saw the University as a dangerous center of separatist indoctrination promoting the "ghettoization" of the Albanian minority. They also argued that the quality of education offered at Tetovo University does not meet the standards of Macedonia's two other state universities.

                            According to Ganka S. Cvetanova, a representative of the largest opposition party, the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization-Democratic Party for Macedonian National Unity (VMRO-DPMNE), the party is not against higher education for Albanians in Macedonia, but it is against faulty education.

                            Amid this controversy, the government partners, the Prime Minister Branko Crvenkovski (Social Democratic Union of Macedonia (SDSM)) and Ali Ahmeti (the ethnic-Albanian Democratic Union of Integration (BDI)) agreed to grant official recognition and state funding to Tetovo University.

                            UNIVERSITIES IN MACEDONIA

                            In 2001, the South East European University (SEEU) in Tetovo has been opened. The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in Macedonia established the university in an effort to meet both Albanian educational needs and government requirements.

                            The SEEU is a private university funded by donations from Council of Europe member states and private foundations. Ninety percent of the school's approximately 3,000 students are Albanians, although enrollment is open to all ethnicities, and courses are conducted in English, Albanian, and Macedonian.

                            Under the former VMRO-DPMNE government in the mid-1990s, Albanian students were also integrated into the two existing state universities, the Skopje-based St. Kiril i Metodij University and the Bitola-based St. Kliment Ohridski University. A quota system was established in 1997, requiring the universities to enroll 20 percent of ethnic-Albanian students, even when that meant lowering admissions standards for them. An Albanian-language section was also established at the Education Department of Skopje University.

                            Tetovo University aspires to be the third state university, with 100 percent Albanian enrollment and courses offered only in Albanian.

                            Those who do not support legalization of Tetovo University said that minority rights for higher education have been assured with the establishment of the SEEU and the quota system in the two Macedonian state universities.

                            Throughout the recent parliamentary debate, ethnic-Macedonian students protested outside the Parliament, declaring the final day of debate "a day of mourning for Macedonian education." According to the protesters, the SEEU meets sufficiently the needs of minority higher education.

                            Arguments to the contrary include the fact that the SEEU is a private university that charges tuition so many ethnic Albanians cannot afford it.

                            THE MONEY

                            Another question that needs to be answered is how the Macedonian government will fund Tetovo University. Currently no one is willing to estimate how much money Tetovo University would require.

                            SEEU Rector said he did not expect the official recognition of Tetovo University to pose a financial threat to other educational institutions, adding that the existence of two primarily Albanian-language universities would lead to a healthy competition.

                            However, St. Kiril i Metodij University Rector said that if this newly recognized university demonstrated a financial threat to other universities, he would pull back his support for the process.

                            Source: Minelres News, by Biljana Stavrova, Skopje, Macedonia, January 17, 2004, http://lists.delfi.lv/pipermail/mine...ry/003146.html
                            Updated (May 2004)

                            BROADCASTING

                            The Broadcasting Council proposes some concessions specifically for broadcasting in minority languages.

                            There are 43 broadcasters that broadcast in minority languages (33 private and 10 public) when 13 are private Albanian television stations, 1 is state television channel (MTV's 3rd Channel, which is mostly but not exclusively Albanian-language), 12 are private radio stations in the Albanian language, 1 is state Macedonian Radio's third channel (mostly but not exclusively Albanian) and 7 are state-owned local public radio stations.

                            For the Roma language there are only two private television stations (BTR and SHUTEL) and three private radio stations.

                            No television station broadcasts exclusively in Turkish, although some private stations have Turkish programs. The four state-owned local public radio stations (Struga, Tetovo, Gostivar, Debar) also have some Turkish programming.

                            Source: Minority-language Related Broadcasting and Legislation in the OSCE, Program in Comparative Media Law and Policy (PCMLP), Center for Socio-Legal Studies, Wolfson College, Oxford University & Institute for Information Law (IViR)(http://www.ivir.nl/index-english.html), Universiteit van Amsterdam (Study commissioned by the OSCE High Commissioner on National Minorities), April 2003, edited by T. McGonagle (IViR), B. Davis Noll & M. Price (PCMLP), http://www.ivir.nl/publications/mcgo...oadcasting.pdf
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                            • Pelister
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2742

                              #15
                              To achieve the implementation of the OFA (Framework Agreement) the Parliament adopted 15 constitutional amendments and 70 new or revised laws, nearly two-thirds are focused on decentralisation issues.


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