Albanianization in Macedonia

[Niko777]

ALBANIAN UCK TERRORIST Memorials in Macedonia, and I'm not talking about those tacky statues (which exist in every Albanian village), I'm talking big, mega war memorials in remote locations up in the mountains. These are where the UCK followers are holding public gatherings and events. All of the construction was funded by the municipal governments, and ALL municipal budgets are directly funded by the Macedonian government.

This one is located near Arachinovo (Skopje suburb). If anyone doesn't believe me, here are the coordinates if you want to view it from above on Google earth:

42° 1' 31.08" N 21° 35' 6.08" E



Here is another one, near Tetovo, coordinates: 42° 1' 49.26" N 20° 56' 46.58" E

[Mastika]

These monuments need to be the first thing destroyed when hostilities break out due to the Albanian separatists. you were right about the Shkenderbeg video, it is very upsetting. in fact this whole thread is depressing, however it is a reality that I think we must realise before any changes can be made. Any tourist driving from Skopje to Ohrid would think that they were in a muslim country, this is directly due to the Albanisation of Western Macedonia.

[Niko777]

ISLAMIC EXTREMISM AS A RESULT OF ALBANIAN NATIONALISM

Propaganda videos supporting Al-Qaeda and a Greater Albanian are being openly SOLD in Skopje in the pazar IN FRONT OF EVERYONE'S EYES - yet, the police are not taking action! The photo below was taken in Skopje's main pazar, enlarge it to full size and look closely at the videos!!! See anyone you recognize?

[Niko777]

ALBANIAN-ISLAMIC EXTREMISM in Macedonia

The following are mosques that have been built in the past 5 years:

SKOPJE REGION

Selo Grchec



Vizbegovo (Skopje Suberb)



Butel, Skopje Suberb



Indzhikovo (Skopje Suberb)



selo Batinci



Saraj (Skopje suberb)



selo Laskarci



selo Arnakija



Stajkovci (Skopje suberb)



selo Studenchani



selo Mojanci



This one is under construction in Cair, Skopje, it is being built illegally with no permit on top of an Ottoman historical monument, but the police is not taking any action!



THERE ARE MANY MANY MORE WHICH I COULD NOT FIND PHOTOS, and yet, this is just in Skopje - I have not entered Tetovo yet! I know for a fact that this many churches have not been built in Skopje in the last 5 years, and the ones that have been built are very small in size compared to some of these mosques.

[Niko777]

TETOVO REGION: Mosques built in the last 5 years

Selo Bojane



selo Strimnica



selo Zhelino



selo Neprosteno



selo Slatino



selo Uzormiste



selo Prshovce



selo Nerashte



selo Tearce



selo Radusha



Tetovo city



selo Selce



Tetovo city



selo Sinichane



Islamic Centre on the Tetovo Highway



selo Gradec



selo Bogovinje



selo Pirok



selo Celopek



selo Negotino



80% of the above villages were Macedonian Orthodox 100 years ago

[Niko777]

National Geographic Magazine - March 1996. Page 135.

[Onur]

This one is under construction in Cair, Skopje, it is being built illegally with no permit on top of an Ottoman historical monument, but the police is not taking any action!

How this can happen there? How come they can do illegal construction on top of 500,600+ year old monument by changing it`s original shape? Are these people experts? Do they know how to do a restoration process? Sigh...


And there should be enough Ottoman era mosques there to serve the current muslim population in there. So, i agree to you that they have other intentions on this by covering it with religion.

[protivpropaganda]

I have many questions, firstly welcome to the MTO.
Am unsure of where you are heading, in fact , whether you are a Macedonian or an Albanian posing as one,

Thank you for the welcome and be assured that I am very much a Macedonian.

It seems to me that you haven't been interested, hence haven't read up on the subject of international power politics and that is why you asked these questions. Nevertheless I will give you an answer for them and I will try to be as brief and concise as I can.

Why did MACEDONIANS allow the enforcement of the framework agreement?

We didn't allow it. We were forced into it.
At that time existed a dilema for the political party in power. Does it engage in forced drafting of all male citizens and commiting genocide upon the shiptars or accepting a mediated truce. By accepting the second option many Macedonian lives were spared and our country remained intact. If the first option was chosen we would have annihilated the shiptars but would have fought with the western powers stationed in Kosovo and would have payed the ultimate price.
Which would you have chosen if it were up to you?

Why did Macedonians allow the change in the flag?

We didn't allow it. It was early in our independence and the socialist scum in our society betrayed us. While many accepted our flag as is there was a considerable number of idiots who didn't accept it. The huge lie that it was temporary helped the cause of those that still felt that they didn't have anything in common with Macedonians but with slavs and serbs.

Why did MaCEDONIANS allow an Albanian criminal that headed terrorist groups in parliament (Ahmeti) ?

We didn't allow it. We were forced into it.
At the end of the confllict of low intensity in 2001 Ahmeti was known as a righteous freedom fighter all around the world. While we were known as the represive majority. Again the socialist scum in our society brokered it so.

Why do MACEDONIANS continue to negotiate our name?

Macedonians aren't negotiating their name. Our spineless politicians are doing it.
It is amazing how sterile minds can conjure up so many filthy thoughts. After I created the site Protivpropaganda I started to overtly propagate Euscepticism in 2002. I was looked down upon even by the Macedonian individual who was drowned in propaganda that by entering the EU all of our problems would magically disappear.
Again the leftist scum of our nation forced this policy into active political life where if anybody spoke against the EU was branded a traitor. Even though EUscepticism today plays a major role in political life nobody is willing to say it out loud as of yet but give it time, it will happen.

Why do MaCEDONIANS insist on using goodwill to offer soldiers to NATO under that revolting acronym? Knowing full well NATO will never enter allow anything but fyrom )it pains me to write it

We are not an economical power, nor are we a millitary one. We are only 1,5 million strong with unloyal minorities. What do we have to offer that is appealing to the rest of the world. That action, although illogical, has given rise to considerable support among the member nations of NATO.

Why do Macedonians insist on giving up everything in the 21st century just to gain enr into EU (who will give Macedonia a lovely debt to pay off Greece debt ??(

We are not giving up anything, let alone everything. We had very little on the day of our independence and built ourselves up to almost looking like a prosperous nation. The political party in power isn't all that interested in selling out since EUscepticism is on the rise but again the leftist scum use this as their political propaganda platform and slur everything in our state to anybody willing to listen.

That is the start of some of my questions in response to your post

I await the other questions and the questions that arise from my response since it is written only to explain things in general.

OziMak,
Thanks protivepropaganda for your suggestion which could have been summed up by the word scaremongering but you offer no evidence this is the case on this site…you neither discredit the concerns expressed as being nonexistent nor if they do exist attempt to explain why you think they are exaggerated.

If you have read carefully and understood correctly what I have written then you do not need me to collect the evidence it would have become self evident to you too.
The shiptar isn't as strong as we are weak at the moment but if push comes to shove we will rise to the occasion as we did in 2001. They do seem like an unstoppable force for now but so did the Ottomans, Serbs, Bulgarians and greeks in the past and yet here we are. That says a lot about us as a nation.
Right now anything we do to thwart their advancements jepardises us to an unaccepted level. The moment they lose the support of the western powers is the moment for payback.

I personally still hold the view that the government will not change the name despite their political doublespeak but I am more concerned with the other pressing issue of the Albanian separatists. They have taken concrete progressive steps towards their end. If action is not taken soon to abate the situation later action will only have to be more severe…probably by armed conflict.

Armed conflict with the shiptars is inevitable. The best we can do is to correctly choose the right time to genocide their disgusting islamic butts. This time we wont accept mediation of peace until the last shiptar has fled our country.

Jankovska,
Scare tactic? When was the last time you went to Kumanovo, Skopje, don't get me started on Tetovo, Gostivar, Kicevo? You should be scared and every Macedonian should be scared. In Tetovo and gostivar you cannot find a sign written in Macedonian. Have you passed through Arachinovo? I have no idea what world you live in

You may not know what world I live in but I know what world you live in. The name of that world is Cowardlandia.
BTW, I went window shopping for furniture in Arachinovo just 2 months ago. Last week I went to Tetovo to buy used spare parts for my car and low and behold I`m still alive.
Here's some well intentioned advice for you:
If you find yourself surrounded in darkness all you need to do is to light a candle.

[Niko777]

How this can happen there? How come they can do illegal construction on top of 500,600+ year old monument by changing it`s original shape? Are these people experts? Do they know how to do a restoration process? Sigh...

These people are NO experts, and they are actually destroying part of the monument for the foundations of the new mosque. Why are they doing it??? Because this location is right BEHIND the NATIONAL MUSEUM OF MACEDONIA! So when tourists come to see the museum, they will be surrounded by mosques!

You are correct, there are many Ottoman-era mosques to serve the population, Macedonia was gracious enough to preserve these UNLIKE our neighbors.

[Jankovska]

Firstly I would like you to explain to me why is it you think I live in Cowardlandia?
I went through Arachinovo on the 4th of November, not even a month ago. As you have mentioned you've been too, now tell me what do the houses of the Macedonians look like? Where are all the Macedonians? Also the Macedonians from Lipkovo, do you know where they are? They are still 'raseleni' they still live in a centre in Kumanovo with absolutley no one trying to help them. Have you heard of them, seen them, spoken to them? Have you seen how they live, what they eat? They have metal beds and a 4-5 member family live in one small room, that's the kitchen, the bathroom, the bedroom and the lounge.To you it may just seem like a scare tactic to me it's a scary reality. As you have been in Tetovo not to long ago can you tell me how many Macedonian signs in the shops there are? Hardly few. Where are all the Macedonians from this towns, what happened to them? Have you asked yourself. It is a scary reality mate and it's is not just a tactic as you call it, they are taking everything and we should be scared ALOT but also should do something about it if it's not too late.
As for the advice, please don't give me any coz you don't know me. I don't ever live in the darkness but I always live in reality. Maybe you should try it sometimes.

As for alot you said I agree but I don't agree that it's just a tactic, it is reality and the more we allow it the worse for us.

Oh and one more question. Earlier you said be scared Macedonians coz you have no hands to fight but in your response to Julie you are saying it's better we didn't fight because it was a lost war. So which one is it, fight and lose or not even take a shot because it is a lost war anyway? So if we fight we are wrong if we don't wrong again.

[julie]

Thank you for your responses protiv propoganda. And yes, I am interested very much in the preservation of all that is left of Macedonia, our name, our identity.

[Big Bad Sven]

Wow, just found this thread, very good thread and much respect to the poster who started this thread, Very informative.

I have to laugh at the internet shiptars who boast that western macedonia has always been populated by shiptars. Its a lie, as the documents show the shiptar pressence has increased in western macedonia because of macedonians leaving their homes and fanatical shiptar colonization of those areas.

I was speaking to dad and uncles a few days ago and they told me that back in the 60's and 70's places like Struga, Gostivar and Kicevo had an extremely small number of shiptars, and the only places that had lots of shiptars were Tetovo and Skopje...

I would say even Debar would have been more macedonian in those times but unfortunately our weak minded torbeshi brothers have fallen in love to the all mighty gheg dollar and changed sides.

Amazing that there are shrines in the mountains of gheg terrorists who killed our brave soldiers and innocent civilians in 2001, what a sick joke!

I said this in a earlier thread, but i find it absolutely offensive that our "leaders" have done fuck all to stop all of these illegally built shrines and also the horrible new shiptar mueseum in skopje, that celebrate racist terrorists - yet at the same time nothing has been done to congratulate or honour the soldiers that have died in 2001.

There have been no memorials made for these soldiers, no awards given to them, no respect shown to them, no mention of them, no nothing! Its as if they never existed!

Whats worse is that the poor civillians havent been fully compensated or helped out after the 2001 "war" and have to see terrorist scum like Ali Ahmeti sitting in cossy government jobs and living it up.

What a total fucking farce the government in macedonia is.

Looks like dickless macedonians are happy to be slaves to the minority ghegs and constantly have the shiptars rubbing it in our faces as they slowly morph our country into some sick twisted gheg fantasy land

[George S.]

Just like the greek megali idea the albanians want a greater albania.Seeing how they got kosovo well they want to take over macedonia.One newspaper jurnalist feom kosovo made a comment years ago that predictions show that by 2025 the albanians will be a majority in macedonia & they will link with kosovo.

[The LION will ROAR]

Just like the greek megali idea the albanians want a greater albania.Seeing how they got kosovo well they want to take over macedonia.One newspaper jurnalist feom kosovo made a comment years ago that predictions show that by 2025 the albanians will be a majority in macedonia & they will link with kosovo.

George Majority of Albanians in Macedonia do believe that they will link up with Kosovo, This is exactly what happen in Kosovo with the Serbs..
They breed like rabbits, over populate the area and build Mosques everywhere and then claim independents as Majority rule..
Same process is happening in Macedonia..
It would be easier to stop this now then later try to eradicate the Albanians or remove the Mosques..doing it later would just make us look worse.. The world would not understand the history and just look at us as the aggressors..
My Question, Is the Macedonian Government weak..? Or are they waiting for the right time..?

[julie]

LWR , the right time was at the time of the framework agreement, before the flag was enforced bratko. And yes, the government is pis weak.
We have state heritage buildings listed in South Australia. No one can build on any building without strict guidelines and building codes through the council municipalities. Seems a different kind of rules and regulations in Macedonia