Hardliners

[Risto the Great]

I was speaking with Makedonche today at a funeral of a deeply respected Macedonian and he proceeded to tell me of someone who is in a leadership position within our local Macedonian community who believes Macedonia should accept a composite name for the purposes of NATO/EU entry .... then once in ... "sort out all this stuff".

Quite frankly I am gob-smacked at the naivety and stupidity of people with this kind of mentality.

Do you think this mindset is representative of the majority in Macedonia presently?

If we are hardliners because we believe our identity is sacred, what does the above scenario make these people?

[julie]

they need to go back for a few weeks . The old man had a similar stance until he experienced the diminishing sovereignty and came home anti the big boy clubs and should not under any circumstances continue negotiating our name . they dont realise we have already lost so much we wont be able to recover . They dnot understand the ramifications

[Vangelovski]

RtG,

That is the kind of BS presented by the Macedonian Government and its puppets (including UMD). An ignorent population buys it because they simply don't know any better.

There is one striking lesson, however, that this ignorant population should have learned from 1993 when Gligorov agreed to FYROM for the UN, telling us they will "sort it all out" once they got in and that it would only take 3 months.

This is nothing more than a LIE. Once in, these vassals will then tell us that the time is not right to "sort it all out". They've been doing this for 20 years, lamenting "lost opportunities", but never taking action when they supposedly believed that the "time was right".

In fact, as far as they are concerned, the time will never be right. Any capitulation Macedonia makes now will be final as no Macedonian politician will have the moral courage to renege on any capitulation. We know this because they do not have the moral courage to reverse existing capitulations which are much easier to do so, why on earth should we believe they will have the moral courage to reverse capitulations that are much harder to do so?

[Rogi]

This idea of joining the European Union and NATO, then from 'inside' try to sort things out is like digging yourself deeper into a hole, order to get out of the hole.

It is based on flawed logic, a misunderstanding of moral principles and a subservient consciousness.

It has no merit and those who espouse this idea, touting it as a 'strategy', have gained nothing from the insights offered by even the most recent history.

But those same people will take nothing from these messages, those who initiate these misguided ideas and propagate them amongst the population, view themselves as intellectuals who are far too politically astute to get it wrong; this is why they need it spelled out and explained to them in torturous detail. But who has the time and the patience to explain what should be a simple concept, to ignorant and arrogant charlatans.

[Vangelovski]

Ignorant and arrogant charlatans indeed. The concept is so basic one is absolutely dumbfounded when having to explain it. This shows us their sinister motives.

[Big Bad Sven]

I have said this before, the real unfortunate issue in Macedonia right now is that we don’t have a TRUE patriotic and nationalistic political party. Im assuming this is the case mainly because the Macedonian government today and in the past tries to portray Macedonia as some sort of peaceful and multi-ethnic state, and doesn’t want Macedonia to have a “bad name’ or seen as one of those other crazy Balkan nationalist countries.. Yet if we look at the most “progressive” and “advanced” country in the Balkans like Slovenia, they have a nationalist party and you should see some of the things they say about roma and they had the balls to try block croatia out of the EU….

The ironic thing is that the western media seems to label the current Nikola Gruevski government as a “nationalist party” LOL

The even more ironic thing is that in Macedonia there is not true nationalistic party, yet there are ultra-nationalist shiptar and Serbian parties within Macedonia that openly talk about greater Albania and Serbia with maps and documents….

Macedonia needs a political party that is 100% against the “name change” and also 100% pushing for the human rights of our oppressed people in the Balkans, unlike the gutless pricks in power right now who ignore the pirinci.
Without a true nationalist party, gullible Macedonians in the republic and Diaspora will be brainwashed into thinking that a “compromise” and having a “multi-ethnic” Macedonia is a “good” thing, as it will be the only thing that will be coming out of the republics “leaders” and media.

We need this as there is no “balance of power” in Macedonian politics, wether its SSDM or VMRO, they both are only interested in a “name change” e.g. the death of Macedonian culture and people.

[makedonin]

If we are hardliners because we believe our identity is sacred, what does the above scenario make these people?

Spineless would be the word I guess.

Still, I don't think that the majority of Macedonians are spineless. If that would have been the case, the name would have been changed long time ago.

[Phoenix]

If the issue surrounding our name is resolved in a manner which greece agrees with, possibly something in the form of a geographical prefix or suffix, you can be assured with 100% certainty that the 'greeks' will ensure it is written up as a waterproof 'contract', one that we will NEVER be able to squirm out of...any 'agreement' will be far reaching and affect how every single Macedonian in the World is identified, our language, our social clubs, our sporting clubs, our churches and anything that we have previously freely labled as Macedonian will be challenged by the 'greeks'...

Anybody thinking that such things can be 'reversed' or challenged once in these organizations is completely foolish...

[Frank]

Quite frankly I am gob-smacked at the naivety and stupidity of people with this kind of mentality.

Agree how this thinking can prevail is quite amazing

[MacoLionHeartSun]

The Macedonian People need to understand the truth and be proud of there Macedonian heritage, my understanding is recent generations have been denied/withheld the Macedonian truth weather in ROM during the last centaury, lack of formal schooling, under different rule or other countries brainwashed by the Greeks. I understand Macedonians are confused and willing to accept the Greek lies (but I don’t agree)
Education is the Key for our people to stand Loud & Proud gaining respect for ROM

My experience with MTO/forum has completed an important link!! educated Macedonian TRUTH, respect for my fallen ancestors, all fighting for the Macedonian truth.

[Volk]

YouTube - Jonche Hristovski - edno ime imame

Every child should need to recite this song in order to pass every single school grade

[fyrOM]

RTG I know Adelaide a small city but you really need to find a better class of friends…where do you find these nuts…there is NO such thing as sorting out later…it does not exist and never will…FYROM began with the understanding as a provisional name hence the expectation that it will change whereas any new name is supposed to be permanent.

[fyrOM]

P S…and this guy was supposed to be some kind of community leader…is it the lack of fresh water coming in from a depleted Murray River.

[Risto the Great]

P S…and this guy was supposed to be some kind of community leader…is it the lack of fresh water coming in from a depleted Murray River.

It seems to have happened since Farmers Union was sold overseas and the iced coffee will never be the same. Dosta sega .... the issue extends beyond the glorious borders of South Australia, many idiots have the same perspective. The fellow has been in Australi for 10 years now and still has this mindset, I am more interested in whether it is people (recently) from Macedonia or just stupid Macedonians generally.

[makedonche]

Just to further elaborate on the issue of accepting a modified name, one of the explanations was that because not all macedonians got to vote on the name selection (51% in Greece, 23% in Bulgaria etc.) then the selection of the name was not done by the majority of Macedonians and therefore tecnically wasn't done democratically which technically makes it ok to call us "Nothern Macedonia", get into NATO & EU then proceed to challenge the name legally and also use the funds provided by EU to further excavate our archaeological sites and prove to the world we have existed since ancient times.