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[Dojcin]

Hi everyone, great discussion topic

[Prolet]

Btw, for your information, bishop Petar is effectively the chief executive officer of his Australian Diocese and the churches owned by himself, Tone Gulev and Jovica Simonovski, except that he has life tenure, is not accountable to any general meeting of members or to any elected Board, and has absolute governance, managerial and legislative power within the Diocese. If you are going to throw the title CEO around as a key element in your vindictive propaganda, at least inform yourself about the substantive meaning of that title. After all, there are many different titles that can be used to identify a chief executive officer.

Aleksandrov, Where do the Vernici fall into this?? It seems that every time somebody disagrees with you about something you accuse them of working for Bishop Petar, the way this is going Bishop Petar must be a millionare who has alot of people working for him.

Where would Bishop Petar,Jovica Simonovski and Tone Gulev be without us vernici? There is no MPC without us, thats for sure.

[Risto the Great]

Dojcin,

If this is really a personal contest between myself and Petar for exploitation of the community, as you disingenuously try to make it out, why don't you propose a settlement deal to the Synod in Macedonia to the effect that they immediately withdraw Petar from the Australian Diocese in return for my immediate and irrevocable resignation from the CEO position in MOCS? I would find such a settlement a great relief.

A response with religious significance.
A bit like the proposal of cutting a child in two pieces, the real mother was willing to give up the baby for its safety.

Why is it that Aleksandrov is willing to give up his position in the interest of the church, and Petar is not even interested in dialogue?

Dojcin, I see you have downwardly revised Aleksandrov's salary by half. Does this mean Ristevski (AMCC) was wrong a few posts ago or was he also including the little Macedonian orphans that Aleksandrov sells on the black market? Admittedly, Ristevski has had his time in disciplinary actions by his accounting body, so I will not discount the idea that perhaps his numbers might be shaky sometimes. Obviously it would need further investigation to be sure.

Clearly I am joking about the orphans, but you have to be a fool to keep perpetuating these kinds of malicious attacks on him when it is clear that Petar wants no form of dialogue and is in favour of greater ties with the Serbian church.

Dojcin, are you happy with the financial competence of the people assisting Petar and his churches? How do they compare in terms of accountability as against the stringent controls implemented by Aleksandrov and his committee?

Personally I don’t see a great difference between Petar and Aleksandrov. Both are deeply involved in the conflict and both are in different ways benefiting from the situation, one as a religious cleric the other as a civilian administrator. It is the rest of us, mortal sinners that are paying the ultimate price as the conflict is distancing us from our mother church and more importantly from God.

I see one glaring difference, a civilian administrator is subject to far more scrutiny in relation to financial matters whereas the religious cleric can do whatever he wants whenever he relies the mystery of faith. It seems blindingly obvious to me that we need to keep religious clerics out of financial matters.

[Risto the Great]

Now let me ask you a question, Risto. As Aleksandrov stated he is only holding the position temporarily until a suitable candidate is found. The position has been advertised for almost a year now and yet not only a candidate has not been found, no one has actually applied for the position. Why is no one applying, what is the real reason?

Dojcin, based on personal experiences, I am positive the reason is abundantly clear. I doubt strongly that it will attract a professional out of their career path just to receive a pay cut and constant abuse from people who have little knowledge of the complexities associated with leading this community. I am convinced of Aleksandrov's commitment to the Macedonian Cause, I am also convinced of his desire to move on to greener pastures.

I think my reason is much more plausible than the Hitler complex you seem to be suggesting.

[Vangelovski]

Vangelovski,

I’m glad you asked that question. It may seem to you that I am attacking Aleksandrov buy that is not the case. We grew up together and have been friends for 20 years or so. He may not consider me a friend as of late but that’s ok. I agree with you that “there needs to be 'professional' and capable people running the day-to-day needs of the community”.
I just think it should be done differently, internally that is. There are 11 directors on the committee who have put their hand up and volunteered to hold those positions. I don’t see why they are not able of managing the day-to-day needs of the MOCS. If they are not competent or do not have enough time why do they keep holding on to the positions. The same 6-7 people have been on the board for the last 15 years. I am sure there are others out there that are much more capable and would welcome the challenge if they were given the opportunity. But that will never happen. I can assure you that Aleksandrov has hand picked the majority of the directors each time. This has allowed him to have full control of the board. I my self have been one of those hand picked people. The MOCS has around 300 financial members in a city that has over 50,000 Macedonians. That is the number of members it had 15 years ago when I was a director. What does that tell you? I hope you can see that my concerns are genuine.

Are you sure you understand the distiction between an elected voluntary board member and a full-time professional running the day to day affairs of the community?

Your initial post claiming that the professionalisation of Macedonian non-profit organisations is an abomination compared with your now supposed agreement to the need for professionalisation suggests that you're not really interested in the issue as much as you are interested in spreading malicious lies about Aleksandrov.

[Risto the Great]

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[Pelister]

If they are not competent or do not have enough time why do they keep holding on to the positions. The same 6-7 people have been on the board for the last 15 years. I am sure there are others out there that are much more capable and would welcome the challenge if they were given the opportunity. But that will never happen. I can assure you that Aleksandrov has hand picked the majority of the directors each time. This has allowed him to have full control of the board. I my self have been one of those hand picked people. The MOCS has around 300 financial members in a city that has over 50,000 Macedonians. That is the number of members it had 15 years ago when I was a director. What does that tell you? I hope you can see that my concerns are genuine.

I don't quite understand. You are saying you were 'hand picked' by Alexandrov? How does a member of the Macedonian community become a director of the MOCS? Although a number of the positions are voluntary, clearly someone has to decide who stays and who goes. There is nothing unusual about that. I understand the implication behind your statement, but there is nothing (from what I have been able to gather in the many discussions) that even suggests Alexandrov is not working in the best interests of the Macedonian community, and our churches.

[George S.]

hey what's happened to the thread?it's jumping everywhere

[indigen]

My information is that the MOCS has around 300 financial members, is that not true?

Listen, IMHO, you and your ILK should stop polluting the MTO forum/s, which is a great resource for sharing USEFUL information and knowledge for the advancement of the MACEDONIAN CAUSE, with your USELESS, PETTY and BITCHING DRIVEL! I know who you are and what "worth" you are (or have ever been) to the Macedonian Cause and I would not trade Igor Avramovski (now Aleksandrov) for 100K Clones of yourself and your accomplices like PR!

Dosta e od serenje na ovie prodadeni i izgubeni KUPOCI!

[julie]

Listen, IMHO, you and your ILK should stop polluting the MTO forum/s, which is a great resource for sharing USEFUL information and knowledge for the advancement of the MACEDONIAN CAUSE, with your USELESS, PETTY and BITCHING DRIVEL! I know who you are and what "worth" you are (or have ever been) to the Macedonian Cause and I would not trade Igor Avramovski (now Aleksandrov) for 100K Clones of yourself and your accomplices like PR!

Dosta e od serenje na ovie prodadeni i izgubeni KUPOCI!

well said Indigen,
Aleksandrov, This Dosido dosaden eden person is full of shit , I would not bother with him

[Pelister]

Dojcin,

Again, I'm not sure what you are getting at here.

I have not come across an organisation anywhere in Australia that would continue to accept an individual membership to its organisation as valid, after it has expired or after it has failed to be renewed.