UFOs and Stuff

[TrueMacedonian]

Ok so what do you guys think about Roswell? I am mostly confused by this whole story seeing as this is widely publicized like no other "crashed alien craft". Alot of eyewitnesses said they saw little men with big heads and big eyes. Even some military personnel. However I've seen another documentary easily debunk Roswell as nothing more than a village story that started at A and ended with government conspiracy.

[TrueMacedonian]

YouTube - ‪Giorgio A. Tsoukalos on Easter Island‬‎

[Phoenix]

You should see the documentary Chariots of the Gods or Ancient Aliens series which was on the History channel some time ago this year. Its not absolute proof but it does leave you thinking.

I have seen both my friend and I watched 'Ancient Aliens' as recently as a week ago...don't get me wrong, I love that shit but I would like to think that I still maintain an open mind on the subject.

The big question mark that I have over the theories proposed in both 'Chariots of the Gods' and 'Ancient Aliens' is the lack of respect given to ancient civilizations, their acquired knowledge and their ability for innovation, discovery, imagination and craftsmanship.

In 'Ancient Aliens' the producers marvelled at the magnitude of task confronting the builders of the pyramids, the precision of their layout, the accuracy of laying the blocks in their construction and the logistics of the entire process...Apparently ONLY alien knowhow could have achieved this???

...and yet I've watched other doco's showing the ingenuity of ancient building tools comprising of simple right angle squares and forms of spirit-levels that could have easily been made and used at the time.
Even the logistics of construction is open to many interpretations and possibilities and I asked a guide at the pyramids when I visited Egypt several years ago about this process, he admitted that there were many theories about the process but the strongest one was that the builders of the pyramids used sheer man power in the process...and thats the beauty of human kind when talent and ideas are harnessed correctly, that man alone can achieve great and incredible things.

There's a strong theory that ancient civilizations had great knowledge, particularly regarding mathematics, astronomy and sciences but it was lost for long periods and then it has been rediscovered in a much later time...Europes own 'Dark Ages' are testament to this ebb and flow of knowledge...

[Serdarot]

1. UFO does NOT have to mean extra-terrastrial. Most of you live in English speaking states, so you should know better than me, that UFO is UNKNOWN Flying Object, and not ALIEN Flying Object.

2. The British realy had pictures of UFO´s, most of them being the German HA-U-NEBU Aircraft

3. Time travel has very little in common with UFO´s

4. There are people who are sure time travel is already (mis)used.

4.1. Read about the Montauk Project.
4.2. Read about the Philadelfia Experiment and more such stuff

5. People are not able to control anything, very stupid and destructive race. Some higher inteligence will maybe even decrease our brain capacity, so we will not couse so much b-s in the Universe


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i dont know how this comes under "Exposing Lies and Propaganda" :P

[fyrOM]

Is there any genuine proof that we've been visited by beings from another planet, I doubt it...although I believe that other life forms exist in the universe I'm not convinced any of them have contacted Earth...its also interesting that the vast majority of UFO sightings have occurred since WWII and the spread of pop culture in the form of movies and television shows promoting science fiction themes...

You should see the documentary Chariots of the Gods or Ancient Aliens series which was on the History channel some time ago this year. Its not absolute proof but it does leave you thinking.

[sf.]

A fine post indeed.

[Phoenix]

well i did highlight that the british had actual clear photographs of ufo's in the 1940's they keep them locked up due to undesirable panic by the public.?

How can you suggest that the British have "clear photographs of ufo's" when nobody has seen them, or had them independently analyzed...then there's the very confusion surrounding the term U.F.O.
A UFO doesn't mean it has to come from deep space, in the 40's a UFO was in the majority of cases experimental military aircraft being developed by the likes of Britain, Germany, Russia and the USA.
Nazi Germany was a technological innovator during the latter parts of WWII, it had experimented and built flying prototypes of jet propolsion aircraft in an era of mainly propeller driven flying machines, the Germans even developed the first flying wing aircraft, to the general public and untrained eye these machines were indeed UFO's and possibly from another 'planet' altogether.

Often the governments weren't protecting their citizens from aliens from another planet but from the advanced military technology of their enemy in the war...

Also scientists beleive that bacteria coming from bits of comets from mars bringing life to earth.

The building blocks of life are found in the debris of exploding stars (suns), the massive explosions associated with dying stars fuse together certain atoms creating the necessary elements to form life in the right conditions...even our precious elements like gold that we find on Earth are actually the result of the massive explosions of stars...all living things on Earth including the human species are the result of exploding star debris...

THe fact that there may be advanced civilizations out there,more than likely that we are not alone & that there are probably millions of earth type planets out there.

Well, its not a fact as we have no proof, we can only assume that in the vastness of the universe there might be other life...but what constitutes life, intelligent beings or mere microbes.
The universe is an extremely dangerous place for 'life'...Earth exhibits the perfect conditions for life, the rise of human kind can be attributed to extreme good luck.
Earth finds itself at the perfect distance from a stable and relatively young star that provides a comfortable climate, an abundance of water is vital, the correct levels of oxygen and the Earths magnetic field, ozone layer and other natural features largely protect Earth and its varied life forms from cosmic radiation and other hazards.

The fact that Earth finds itself in a relatively clean orbit around the sun away from major cosmic debris in the form of comets, meteorites etc is a blessing that in a different age of the Earth meant the extinction of the dinosaurs...also Earths position in the solar system protects it from asteroid impact because the larger planets in the outer solar system with their strong gravitational pull attract many asteroids that could impact Earth...so the fact that life exists on Earth should not be viewed as being the norm in the universe, the set of circumstances that have lead to life on Earth are trully unique and may not come together in great frequency anywhere else in the universe, regardless of its size...

Does one comprehend the stupendous distances of space & time.How far does the universe stretch???So we haven't really scratched the surface of searching for advanced civilizations, will we find some who knows??

That could be the main reason why we will never know if other life forms exist, the cosmic distances involved are so extreme that perhaps we're in one corner and our neighbours are so far away that the two shall never meet because of the constrictive laws of physics

Note in america they got area 51 which supposedly has got probably ufo's aliens etc who knows exactly what they got it's all secret.They reckoned they staged the whole lunar landing in a hanger somewhere in area 51.But again who knows.But i prefer that it was a real landing landing.For example they had aflag waving in the breeze when there was no air on the moon.Alot of people have been sceptical that they were ready in terms of life support for the 3days going to the moon & back.?

Area 51 is steeped more in science fiction than science fact, everyone loves a good conspiracy theory but that entire region where Area 51 finds itself has been the cornerstone of America's military and space program, everything from the A-bomb to the newest generation of missiles and aircraft are housed and tested in those inhospitable desert regions of Calfornia/Nevada/New Mexico...because it provides security and secrecy...

The other thing I have always wondered about is why have only the Americans got hold of aliens and their flying saucers...???

[George S.]

well i did highlight that the british had actual clear photographs of ufo's in the 1940's they keep them locked up due to undesirable panic by the public.Also scientists beleive that bacteria coming from bits of comets from mars bringing life to earth.
THe fact that there may be advanced civilizations out there,more than likely that we are not alone & that there are probably millions of earth type planets out there.Man has been transmitting radio sgnals say for 100 years so we could only get signal transmissions of only 100 million light years.
So considering the vastness of space the furtherest object would be approximately 13 to 16 billion light years.Does one comprehend the stupendous distances of space & time.How far does the universe stretch???So we haven't really scratched the surface of searching for advanced civilizations, will we find some who knows??
Note in america they got area 51 which supposedly has got probably ufo's aliens etc who knows exactly what they got it's all secret.They reckoned they staged the whole lunar landing in a hanger somewhere in area 51.But again who knows.But i prefer that it was a real landing landing.For example they had aflag waving in the breeze when there was no air on the moon.Alot of people have been sceptical that they were ready in terms of life support for the 3days going to the moon & back.?

[Phoenix]

I reckon now that they've got super computers they can virtually do anything & its only a matter of time until they've discovered for certainty for example they discovered dark matter in the universe.Also there may be faradvanced civilizations out there & we may make the a quantum leap using new technology,creating wormholes etcetc.I reckon anything is possible.
What do people think the government is hiding stuff on extraterrestials it's pretty slack & they should make the information public.

Is there any genuine proof that we've been visited by beings from another planet, I doubt it...although I believe that other life forms exist in the universe I'm not convinced any of them have contacted Earth...its also interesting that the vast majority of UFO sightings have occurred since WWII and the spread of pop culture in the form of movies and television shows promoting science fiction themes...

[George S.]

I reckon now that they've got super computers they can virtually do anything & its only a matter of time until they've discovered for certainty for example they discovered dark matter in the universe.Also there may be faradvanced civilizations out there & we may make the a quantum leap using new technology,creating wormholes etcetc.I reckon anything is possible.
What do people think the government is hiding stuff on extraterrestials it's pretty slack & they should make the information public.

[makedonin]

Phoenix, I agree on the time travel. Backwards time travel ain't possible cause of the parent paradox. At least that is the theory.

Future Knowledge would prove or disprove the theory.

[Phoenix]

I heard its harder to go back in time but they think it's possible.But one question.If there are timetravellers how come we can't see them assuming they can travel in time.

Forward time travel is a reality...it has already been proven but is currently only measured in tiny fractions of a second.

All these are theories can anyone imagine going into a black hole to travel in time.Why their very atoms will be squeezed out of existence..

Stephen Hawking has proposed several methods of time travel, one of which is using the mass of a black hole, the theory is that a space craft gets into an orbit around a black hole, far enough that it doesn't get sucked into it, the theory is that objects of incredible mass, such as black holes have an effect on the dimension of time. Hawking argues that an object in close proximity to a massive body (i.e. heavy solar body) will age significantly slower than objects much further away...

Also imagine if your body was accellerated at the speed of light you would not last for a asecond and your body woulbe smashed to smithereens..Also wormholes are so unstable that if one enters one it might just collapse on them also you don't know where you'll end up in the universe.Also you have no way of coming back.But a big But anything is possible in science we've got to see it to beleive it.

It is impossible for an object to reach the speed of light, the laws of physics prohibit this, the speed of light is considered the cosmic 'speed limit' and although it is theoretically possible to reach some 99.9%(?) of the speed it is impossible to reach the full speed...

I don't know how the occupants of a spacecraft will be effected by near light speed travel, I imagine your concerns are similar to those skeptical of early train and automobile travel when people feared for their ability to survive speeds exceeding 30 kph...

[George S.]

On the matter of ufos apparently just in the news the british under churchill had heaps of prhotos & evidence of ufos hidden under wraps until the embargoed time.Aparrently
they didn't want the public to know because they might panic.

[George S.]

I heard its harder to go back in time but they think it's possible.But one question.If there are timetravellers how come we can't see them assuming they can travel in time.
All these are theories can anyone imagine going into a black hole to travel in time.Why their very atoms will be squeezed out of existence.Also imagine if your body was accellerated at the speed of light you would not last for a asecond and your body woulbe smashed to smithereens..Also wormholes are so unstable that if one enters one it might just collapse on them also you don't know where you'll end up in the universe.Also you have no way of coming back.But a big But anything is possible in science we've got to see it to beleive it.

[Daniel the Great]

if time travel was possible we would have already known about it, due to the fact somebody from the future would have gone to the past.

Maybe so but maybe it has a rule in the future that you are not allowed to tell anyone about time travel.
It would be amazing for this to become a reality.