Greeks Terrorize Macedonian Tourists in Halkidiki

[fyrOM]

Prolet amazing how out of all that I said you pick the smallest point and of least of importance to pick on. It only served to quote you and how you make out Macedonians cant afford much and hence the reason to go to egej for holidays and your inconsistencies which you yourself betray.

On the one hand they HAVE TO because they don’t have much and hence their choice oh holiday is SO limited yet have holiday homes and 4 wheel drives.

And when pointed out your only response is why shouldn’t they have. The question at hand was not should or shouldn’t they have any wealth it was to negate your point that they don’t.

this kind of arguing and shifting only comes from a worm because you know English well enough to understand my point which you conveniently sidestep for a different point and then ask isn’t this other thing right as though it makes your whole position right.

Keep wriggling Prolet. Your tactics are plain to see by everyone.

[fyrOM]

Keep pumping money into Greece and maybe they will pump you back in a different way.

Serbs Shell Out 600 Million Euros on Vacation

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16176/46/

Monday, 02 August 2010
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During summer time Serbian tourists spend 600 million euros for their holidays in Greece, Montenegro and Turkey, Danas.hr reported.

Economists point out that Serbia could build four bridges or highways, long 300 kilometers for those money.

Around 250 million euros are spent in Greece alone. Last year, over 350.000 Serbian tourists spent their holidays in Greece. This year the number has increased.

Due to visa free regime, this year we expect over half a million Serbians to spent their holidays in Greece, Cekic said.

Montenegro comes second as one of the closest and most attractive holiday offers for Serbian tourists. Over 450.000 Serbians spent their holiday in Greece. A total of 180.000 euros are spent in Montenegro during the summer holidays.

Turkey comes third at the list for holiday destinations. Around 130.000 Serbian citizens spent their holidays in turkey. Croatia comes fourth at that list.

[George S.]

Whilst people may be going to greece for their holidays it's actually very dear as it's all euros.From what i'm hearing from the greeks they all going to macedonia to buy things as it's actually much cheaper in macedonia.

[Prolet]

Oh Come on OziMak nobody is playing games, we are talking about our people here for gods sake.

Serbia was in a Major war with Croatia and Bosnia but the Serbs still go to these places and why wouldnt they? Why cant you say that Macedonians shouldnt be going from Mount Olympia downwards instead? That would certainly make more sence.

[Bij]

OziMak - again, I do not have family in egejska. I was talking to the general population in cafes, on the beach, in shops, etc.

[fyrOM]

I sometimes feel like I am in some kind of Twilight Zone. On the one hand people whinge about

1. the untold death and destruction inflicted on Macedonians

2. In the absence of being allowed to pick up a gun and shoot us the Greeks use every lie trick and favour and law they can find to create every leverage they can to either extinguish us or make us extinguish our selves.

3. Disrespect and humiliate us at every opportunity. They never once let it slide. They’ll say it behind your face to your face eg throwing the passports on the ground and shout it from every roof top and media

4. The economic enslavement of Macedonia. Even if you thing you are free or actually achieve being free you will find the Greeks owning much and the Macedonians still working for their betterment at the expense of low wages or the threat of shut downs or key industries or best locations owned by Greeks

Many previous threads have discussed these topics and every one say yeah that’s bad the Greeks are ratbags. So every one is aware of the situation and agrees it is bad.

Then

1. Boo hoo the Greeks are suffering. That’s bad. How would you feel to be suffering…ahh what the hell were you and still are…suffering. So in a fight call them bad names if they thump you in the face but don’t thump them in the face because thumping in the face hurts. How would you like it if someone thumped you in the face. Sounds a bit punch drunk to me.

2. Lets be Christian about it. See how it says to be nice in the bible. And then there is this other quote and another ect. Are they not Christian and by the way the bible doesn’t say be nice to the point of lie down so your enemy doesn’t tier themselves while they are killing you. In fact it doesn’t say be nice every time.

3. But their shop is cheaper. Im not stupid to spend 3 to max 5 percent more.

4. My holiday is important. It gives me bragging rights socially and in the office. How else are people going to think I am important sophisticated and worldly. Its how you intimidate others and make yourself look better to your boss. I’m no dummy its how you get ahead in life. Besides especially if you have a small member how else are you supposed to make yourself mentally feel better.

5. I’m not going to Greece despite what the sign at the border says surely my money wont end up in Greek hands. And anyway the propaganda adds against Macedonians cost hundreds of millions of euros. I didn’t spend that much in the I cant believe its not Greece. I only spent a few hundred thousand denari. Everybody knows denari are cheaper than euros never mind their spend equates to 3 to 5 thousand euros. Besides you cant fool me my money went into the Greek guys left pocket and everyone said he paid the propaganda adds out of his right pocket. What do you think I am so stupid to let you convince me to deny myself bragging rights.

6. You said its ok to see relatives in occupied parts of Macedonia. I think if you go back a hundred generations or so I’m sure I can find some relative in the occupied parts. At least the locals are friendly. That counts for something doesn’t it. It’s the I cant believe its Greece so those people saying OHI RE cant be anything else but Macedonians so therefore EVERYONE here is Macedonian right. So in effect I never spent one Euro on a Greek. Then everything is all good right. That’s what you said isn’t it.

7. At Uncles Café he speaks my language. He says he is all about being Macedonian. He even has all the trinkets like the flag and national dress folded up neatly in the back room. He says how else would you keep something special but neatly so it wont get dirty or damaged by the sun.

He says he hates Greeks like you couldn’t believe but since this is I cant believe its Greece there’s no one to hate. He promises not to give one Euro to the Greeks at least he’s going to try his hardest on his taxes and the drink and food he buys for his café is only bought from people in I cant believe its Greece so none of his money is going to Greeks. He says he doesn’t know where the guys he buys the drink and food from get it but he’s sure it must be good.

Uncle is the leader of the First Patriots Club where other Uncles like him meet all day to drink coffee and plan how to get rid of the Greeks. He says its really hard work so he has to stay there most of the day. He says the moment the Uncles figure out a way to do it without costing them absolutely anything they will be leading everyone against the Greeks.

He says its such hard work being a patriot if it wasn’t for nephew from RoM Serbia or the diaspora coming to Uncles Café he doesn’t know how he would ever afford to be a patriot so in effect nephew and all the other nephews are patriots.

He says to go back to RoM ect and tell all my friends to come to Uncles Café and help him out and then they too can be real patriots.

8. I’m just staying ie renting in this house next door to Uncles Café. Its owned by this baba…no that cant be right he has a bigger moustache than mine and wears pants. Hey how do you SAY UNCLE in Greek. Oh yeah PLEASE USE LUBE.

9. Haven’t you heard you dinosaur it’s the eu. No borders love fest. Its all about freedoms and rights. Who are you to say I don’t have a right to free movement.

How else is that Greek guy going to love me. He makes the best 5 Euro Greek coffees and he is so sweet to me bringing me lokumi. You really cant find this anywhere else in the world.

Dang it I loved it so much I bought a holiday house to be closer to the ones who love me. The fact it cost me a huge amount of money like i bought it and instead its a 99 year lease and not really bought is just details.

Just so we could be closer he promised to buy the company I work for. He calls everyone else by their names. How common. He loves me so much he doesn’t call me by my name but instead this really cutesy nickname he came up with. I feel so special. Cant you feel the love.

So what’s your problem skip or are you some kind of JAFA.

Doo di doo doo….out plays the Twilight Zone theme song.

Seeing there are obviously more points against and its on the Macedonian TRUTH site then I must be wrong. Since no one can make a direct connection between the later points creating and aiding the first points then my connections must be false but before I can believe this I need the Greeks to poke my eyes out like they did to the Macedonian soldiers of Tsar Samoil. I feel kind of dirty for not being patriotic enough. I should go to the nearest travel agent and book a flight. I can only hope Uncle will let me. Does anyone have the number so I can call him.

[Bij]

ahhh Ozimak... so bitter and long winded.

You can write a million words about this, it aint gonna stop people from doing whatever they want to do. you're just wasting effort hating the wrong people.

you forget to mention most restaurants in Australian capital cities are owned by Greeks too, you tell me you never spend money on greeks, even unknowingly?

[Phoenix]

you forget to mention most restaurants in Australian capital cities are owned by Greeks too, you tell me you never spend money on greeks, even unknowingly?

I think many Macedonians do make that distinction and where possible make alternate purchases or choose a different venue...

As for those of you visiting greece for intentions other than meeting relatives or wanting to spend time in your ancestral lands I wish you all the most protracted and humiliating time at the border, preferbly on the hottest days of the year...

[Frank]

Bij

I too am just as bitter

There was nothnig long winded about OziMak comments

Beleive me I have endless energy to hate them all. If you want to be polite towards Greeks beleive me you will be kicked to the ground by a Greek and then feel really stupid for giving them the benifit of the Doubt, that I promise will happen.

Greeks are pigs they are all the same educated, worldly, traveled it dont matter they are all the same I have had oddles of experience with them I have never been surprised NEVER!

[fyrOM]

Bij you are right that people will want to continue doing what they want to do just don’t sell me whitewash and tell me its icecream and I should smile while I slurp it up. At least be forthcoming with the truth ie im doing this because I LIKE IT and stop pretending its because you have to and you have absolutely no other choice.

RoManians are easier to fool and we skips take greater objection to half truths and lies.

[fyrOM]

To answer your question the last time I was in a Greek reception was when a cousin of mine married a Greek. Otherwise I have never been in a Greek restaurant and the last time I had a souvlaki from a takeaway shop was over 10 years ago.

See Bij we do have choices. Someone might say so what they would go to a Greek restaurant and have souvlaki every other day because they choose to because they like it and NOT because THEY HAVE TO and therein lies the difference and the objections.

[fyrOM]

Bij the problem can be likened to those who contribute to the black economy thinking their individual cash transactions are so tiny surely they are not affecting the economy because the economy deals with sums they could never even dream of so where’s the harm when they can have a small win right at this moment. What the fail to realise or choose to ignore is if you multiply their one small cash transaction over the course of a year of transactions and then multiply it by 100s of thousands and possibly millions of small people all making the same small transactions actually adds up to very huge amounts which do affect the economy.

Similarly Greece’s tourist industry makes billions from many such small individual transactions and when they have the billions then they have real power. There are 21 million people in Australia. If you could convince everyone to give you just 1 dollar each you would have 21 million dollars in just 1 day. If someone were to offer you 21 million dollars you would say they are talking real money yet if you accidently dropped a dollar or was over charged a dollar you wouldn’t really be upset and nor would you think it worth while to travel all the way back to the shop to argue about it yet did we not just say 1 dollar represents 21 million dollars in the bigger scheme of things. This is what Greece relies on to make their money which they then use against the Macedonians in egej and elsewhere.

Macedonians don’t see or choose not to see this bigger picture in order to have their little immediate gratification yet bitch profusely when Greece does something against the Macedonians. Are they really so short sighted or stupid as to not understand this. I don’t believe they are. I thing greed and the immediate small win is a factor as is the feeling of missing out if they don’t do it and their neighbour does and gradually is getting ahead of them but there also is I think are two other factors.

Firstly those in egej who think all this patriotic stuff is fine but they want to have a high standard of living like how many other people do and if it contributes to Greece and the harm they are doing to them so be it. The problem is too big for them to fix so let bigger heads worry about it and fix it. They think RoM or the diaspora have more money than they do so can afford to spend large amounts fighting the Macedonian cause so let them do it. The thinking is any loss of income through reduced tourists to them even if it was eg 5 thousand dollars a year is too huge and why should they have to do it aren’t the rest of you Macedonians so is it costing you 5 thousand dollars a year. The struggle for at least recognition and minority rights in egej has been going on for years and may continue to do so for many years to come and realistically possibly more years than they have so do your bitching to make people THINK you care and just get on with life and accumulating wealth.

It is this accumulating of wealth which leads directly to the second point. I get the impression there is a quiet firm belief in the legal actions being undertaken by the egej Macedonians for their land titles. They think the title action will definitely win and this will be really big dollars to them. But also there is a slightly less eg 99.9 percent instead of 100 percent belief that the win in titles will have a direct effect in minority rights at least and even possibly as Macedonians if RoM and the diaspora get into gear and deliver on their promise to get Macedonian recognition in the world.

Realistically if RoM wins in the name issue the Greeks will have very thin ice to stand on in not recognising and giving minority rights to the egej Macedonians. This has huge ramifications for Greece and the other occupiers. If we leave the wider implication to one side and take the narrow view of what it means to the egej Macedonians the picture becomes clearer. Imagine now an eu Greece and and eu Macedonia and an eu Serbia ect. There is freedom to move about as individuals and businesses. The warmer climate of Greece and egej will always be attractive to people just not everyone wanted to live in Greece and deal with their racist attitudes. If the egej Macedonians have their titles ie more land in Macedonian hands and their rights ie freedom of language schools expression ect and the racist Greeks have backed off life in egej could start to look very attractive.

I think it was in one of Prolets clips posted that an egej couple living near Bitola were showing the reporters their old titles from ottoman days and their coversion to Greek titles. The man said he did not want money as compensation but his land back and if he did get it he would want to go back there to live. How many people do you think would do this. Probably quite a few and any who wanted to sell would probably find many buyers. This mini boom requires one to be in the right position to ride the wave and catch you piece. Prime tourist locations have x value today but in a semi free egej will definitely jump significantly as will other property.

To position yourself for a better life in this new ideal egej you need property yet to have property you need money and lots of it and to get lots of money you need lots of tourists and the more tourist you have the more money Greece gets to prevent you creating the ideal egej you are working and saving to position yourself in. catch 22. To get the ideal egej it will cost and affect their position in the new egej but without cost Greece holds the ideal egej further away from reality. Now imagine if you could get someone else to pay for achieving the ideal egej. Makes you think doesn’t it. If they win you are in a prime position to take advantage of the win and if they loose you would have at least improved your overall financial position ie you win mega humungas or you win medium but the future looks win win only if you can find a hero to pick up the tab. Who wants to be a hero.

Some in RoM are dumb patsies and others are heroes because the loss of the Macedonian identity truly affects them. And that’s ok because both kinds are needed one to provide the money and the other to win the battle. Such is life people get used.

So who wants to be a hero.

[fyrOM]

Just to quote myself see

Macedonian Truth Forum > Macedonian Truth Forum > General Discussions
Reload this Page Rate of suicides has ‘doubled’ page 3

I thought I would highlight just point 3 to show the hypocrisies in Macedonians.

3. Yeah lets get them so long as it doesn’t cost me anything. People will quote you Goce Delcev about
inner strength and conviction and never giving up the struggle but no one can find a quote saying so
long as it doesn’t cost you a thing. God has given the Macedonians an opportunity and just walking
past their store and not entering is too much for many. To top it off they even say lets feel
sorry for them.

[Bij]

Never said I didn't have a choice. In the 8 times I have been to Macedonia in the last 8 years, I have been to ohrid 8 times za odmor, twice to budva and once to egejska. You're right, we all have choices to make.

If you would like to continue to write fantasy novels on here about the type of person you think I am, then what do you want me to say?

[Soldier of Macedon]

OziMak, cut your "Romians" shit out, it is started to stench on that old maknews terminology of "romulans" or whatever it was that he used to blabber about. I am not sure if you have answered the question I posed to you on another thread, can you speak Macedonian or not?