Who Can We Trust?

[Makedonetz]

Check this video out.

The real face of Filipov Voskopoulos

[Onur]

Thats sad. Greek policy makes two cousins to an enemy to each other.

One is an independent political party leader, other one is prefect. If prefect declares that he is not an ethnic Greek, he immediately loses his seat and whole career afterwards. So, the minority party leader should be bit more free to express himself.

Btw, the party leader is brave one cuz several Turks got jailed in Greece just because they said they are ethnic Turks, not Greeks. It`s not easy to say that you are not Greek in Greece.

[Blagojce]

Thats sad. Greek policy makes two cousins to an enemy to each other.

One is an independent political party leader, other one is prefect. If prefect declares that he is not an ethnic Greek, he immediately loses his seat and whole career afterwards. So, the minority party leader should be bit more free to express himself.

Btw, the party leader is brave one cuz several Turks got jailed in Greece just because they said they are ethnic Turks, not Greeks. It`s not easy to say that you are not Greek in Greece.

I agree with you Onur. Don't look too much into this video. Pavel spoke Macedonian on one of their tv shows to a live audience, if that doesnt show how much of a Macedonian he is, then nothing will.

YouTube - Bravo Pavle!

[Makedonec]

That was the best!!! all the Greek hosts didn't know what to do.

[fatso]

Thats sad. Greek policy makes two cousins to an enemy to each other.

One is an independent political party leader, other one is prefect. If prefect declares that he is not an ethnic Greek, he immediately loses his seat and whole career afterwards. So, the minority party leader should be bit more free to express himself.

Btw, the party leader is brave one cuz several Turks got jailed in Greece just because they said they are ethnic Turks, not Greeks. It`s not easy to say that you are not Greek in Greece.

You are a hypocrite..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harut-sassounian/em60-minutesem-exposes-tu_b_401047.html

Nuns , priests and Christians are constantly threatened , raped and killed in Turkey

[Onur]

You are a hypocrite..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harut-sassounian/em60-minutesem-exposes-tu_b_401047.html

Nuns , priests and Christians are constantly threatened , raped and killed in Turkey

Ohh yes, an Armenian journalist writing about Greek patriarch`s words. Armenians and Greeks working together and doing their best, spreading false propoganda and Turkish hate. How typical and cliche.

Patriarch feels like he`s been crucified cuz we don't allow them to get priests from Greece? We do that cuz Greece doesn't even allow Turks there to elect their own clerics. So, Greek patriarch better cry about this to Papandreu, not to Turks. He better tell him to consider the minorities in Greece as human beings and give their rights, then he can come to us and ask bring priests from Greece.

Nuns , priests and Christians are constantly threatened , raped and killed in Turkey???? Bullshit, who says that? If this would be real, you can bu sure that everyone would hear that, not only this Armenian and you.

60 minutes correspondent, Bob Simon reported that "at the turn of the last century, there were nearly 2 million Orthodox Christians in Turkey; 1.5 million were expelled in 1923, and another 150,000 left after violent anti-Christian riots in Istanbul in 1955

Turkey expelled them??? Bullshit again. Everyone knows who wanted them to go Greece. If they wouldn't go there, then Greece would be %40 Muslim, %60 Christian(including Macedonians, Albanians and others) populated country today. Even this information is enough to know who were behind the population exchange.

There wasn't 2 million Christian in Turkey either. 1 million gone to Greece and only the ones in Istanbul exempted in population exchange. So, there was 1 million Christian left in Istanbul?? Bullshit, Istanbul`s population was no more than 1 million in 1924.

150.000 number is exaggeration again but Greeks left Istanbul in 1955 because Greeks started Enosis and massacres in Cypriot. Few people vandalized their shops a day after the news of Greeks burned Turkish primary school in Cyprus, 14 kids died while they are at classrooms. No Greek died at 1955 even after Greeks burned 14 Turkish kid. Some people just vandalized their shops and few homes and they got scared. Thats why they left.

[fatso]

Sure...and the Turks never committed genocide to the Armenians....

Give me a break.

[fatso]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-12-16-prieststabbed_N.htm

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,478074,00.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/turkish-court-orders-release-of-muslim-who-attacked-christian-and-held-a-knife-to-his-

I could be here all day...

[Onur]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...tstabbed_N.htm

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,478074,00.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/turkish-court-orders-release-of-muslim-who-attacked-christian-and-held-a-knife-to-his-

I could be here all day...

Dude, the ones who killed these people later came out to be Hezbollah terrorists trained in Lebanon and you quote these and accuse Turkey. You cant get anywhere with this.


I can do the same for about every country in the world. For example, you want me to link the news of Turkish people burned alive in their houses by neo-nazis? or Algerian and African immigrants beaten to death by French police? or African immigrants abandoned to their death at Aegean sea by Greek coastal guard forces?

[fatso]

Dude, the ones who killed these people later came out to be Hezbollah terrorists trained in Lebanon and you quote these and accuse Turkey. You cant get anywhere with this.


I can do the same for about every country in the world. For example, you want me to link the news of Turkish people burned alive in their houses by neo-nazis? or Algerian and African immigrants beaten to death by French police? or African immigrants abandoned to their death at Aegean sea by Greek coastal guard forces?

Bullshit...your always in denial until the truth is revealed...nice try.

[Risto the Great]

WTF was that political choice thing with Voskopulos?
His actions go a long way in dispelling any negative connotations of this ridiculous statement. But selective editing like this does not help Macedonians at all.

[Onur]

Sure...and the Turks never committed genocide to the Armenians....

Give me a break.

The big majority of 40.000 Armenians in Turkey actively denies genocide claims. The ones who accuses Turkey are assimilated and converted Catholic and Protestant Armenians of France and USA who has non-Armenian names like "Jean Pierre, Jack, John". Most of these people cant even speak single word of Armenian. I very much doubt that they are really Armenian at all.



This was on the news in media today;

Turkish-Armenian Historian Refutes Armenian Genocide Allegations

Turkish historian of Armenian descent Levon Panos Dabaghyan refuted Armenian genocide allegations and said, "I would not be here if Turks had committed a genocide."

Giving a lecture entitled "Armenian Issue in the Light of Historical Documents" organized by Organization for Fighting Against Baseless Armenian Claims in Yalova, historian of Armenian descent Levon Panos Dabaghyan said that Turks did not commit a genocide against Armenians. "Allegations of genocide is nothing more than the baseless allegations of imperialist powers," said he.

Stating that he is also a Turk who was born and grow up in Anatolia, Dabaghyan said, "I would not be here if Turks had committed a genocide. We are among those whose hearts beat for this country. If they claim that such a genocide is committed in Turkish territory, then the problem should be solved here in Turkey. I cannot understand why they include Armenia in this issue... I am 77 years old and i spent 50 years to serve this country. If I had another chance, i would do the same. The word "Armenian" is not something to use as a tool in this country. They are aiming to divide us. We should think how we are separated while we were living side by side. We need Armenian parliamentarians in our Parliament to be able to solve this problem."

http://www.historyoftruth.com/news/latest/7036-turkish-armenian-historian-refutes-armenian-genocide-allegations

Check these out as well;

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=53985#post53985

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/32126.html

[Spartan]

In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) passed a resolution unanimously recognizing the Ottoman massacres of Armenians as genocide


So, contrary to the above statement, i take it you deny the Armenian genocide Onur?
Careful now, members can (and should) be banned for denying genocides.

If it never happenned Onur, how come all these states/institutions/orgs recognize it as a genocide?


Other international organizations officially recognizing the Armenian Genocide include:

European Parliament
Council of Europe
World Council of Churches
Human Rights Association (Turkey)
European Alliance of YMCAs
Permanent Peoples' Tribunal
Mercosur



Media officially recognizing the Armenian Genocide include:

The New York Times
Associated Press
The Times
Los Angeles Times
Spiegel
The Independent
Izvestia
Russia Today, and others.

I take it they are all wrong?

What do the good Macedonians of this forum think about all this?
Did this genocide happen, or is it propoganda of the west in order to villify the Turks?

[tomovsk]

wow... they're from my mother's village ( boresnica / palestra ). i'm guessing the graves are from there. thank you for posting this.

[Onur]

I take it they are all wrong?

What do the good Macedonians of this forum think about all this?
Did this genocide happen, or is it propoganda of the west in order to villify the Turks?

Spartan, you know i already told you that i wont involve any argument with you again. Nice try but i wont bite it again m8, sorry. I just don't wanna stain the forum by arguing with a Greek like you on offtopic issues.



AND yes, its all propaganda. You want proof??? Read this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide#Genocide_recognition



You will see that the exact same media groups and organizations declared that Turkey commit genocide against Greeks shortly before population exchange.

Go ahead, now tell me that Turks also commit genocide against Greeks too.

C`mon, i am waiting...



P. S: If you wanna know what is genocide, then you don't need to go further than your own country because it was the fascist Greek governments who commit a cultural genocide upon every non-Greek element in Greece for 100 years.