mongol the russian made film

[osiris]

has anyone seen the russian made film mongol and onur are there any words in mongolian that are similar to turkish.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Osiris, I have watched parts of it, I am yet to watch the whole thing but it doesn't seem that bad at all. Mongolia did make some complaints with regard to how the film was made, but I forgot what exactly the points of contention were.

Mongols and Turks share many words, one for example is 'Altan' (gold), a certain Mongol leader that ravaged parts of China was called 'Altan Khan'.

[osiris]

its a very interesting movie som well worth a serious look.

[Onur]

Mongols and Turks share many words, one for example is 'Altan' (gold), a certain Mongol leader that ravaged parts of China was called 'Altan Khan'.

I didn't know this movie. It`s about Genghis Khan?


I guess %35-40 of current Mongolian language is Turkish originated. The reason is, Mongols didn't have written language `till 13th century. Genghis Khan and his sons probably killed half of Turkish population in Caucasus and enslaved Uighur scholars. Mongols used Uighur Turks to write their history and they used Turkic runic script and probably half Turkish to record because Mongolian language was so primitive at those times. Thats how Mongolian language born and evolved.

Also Mongols was the primary reason of mass migration of Turks to Anatolia and Balkans because they were so savage and unbeatable at 13th century. They also enslaved Tatar Turks as vassals in their army after killing most of them. Thats why Turkic speaking people there like Tatars, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbek etc. mixed with Mongols genetically.

You know, all of Cuman Turks settled to Hungary and they formed an alliance with Magyars against Mongols.

[osiris]

the movie is the first in a proposed trilogy about the life of temugin who later is named genghis khan. i urge anyone who hasnt and has access to it to have a look.

you are right onur there power and savagery was the reason for so many central asian people to migrate west in an attempt to escape the mongols.

[Onur]

you are right onur there power and savagery was the reason for so many central asian people to migrate west in an attempt to escape the mongols.

There are Uighur records about their savagery. I don't know if its an exaggeration or not(probably not), they wrote like Mongols killed millions of Turks around Caspian sea to current Hungary and some more around eastern Anatolia, even killed animals as well. Cumans, Tatars escaped to Balkans, Azerbaijanis escaped to Anatolia. Uighurs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyzstan people couldn't escape tough. Ofc there was no distinction between these people at that times. All these people were considered as Oghuz or Kipchak Turks.

Mummies discovered in that area also matches the historical records. Mummies b4 13th century doesn't have Mongolic features but after the era of Genghis Khan, mummies got some Mongolic features.



Btw, whats the full name of this movie? Just "Mongol"???

[osiris]

yes juts mongol and its about the early years childhood and early manhood and ends with the unification battle against his freind and enemy jamuka

[blackcactus]

has anyone seen the russian made film mongol and onur are there any words in mongolian that are similar to turkish.

One of my favorite movies osiris

[osiris]

mine too black cactus saw it with my youngest boy at the movies and have since taped it on foxtel and both he and i and now he is 14 y 6 months have watched it a few times.

i remember as a 14 year old watching omar sharif as genghis khan and having to interpret a few different screenings for my family. what a difference in sensibility and approach between mongol and hollywood

[blackcactus]

mine too black cactus saw it with my youngest boy at the movies and have since taped it on foxtel and both he and i and now he is 14 y 6 months have watched it a few times.

i remember as a 14 year old watching omar sharif as genghis khan and having to interpret a few different screenings for my family. what a difference in sensibility and approach between mongol and hollywood

I saw it at the movies as well with two mates and our respective wife's, we all came away deep in thought, even months later when we got together we would have a go at Mongolian throat singing, you should have seen the stares we got from people, priceless

[Soldier of Macedon]

There are Uighur records about their savagery. I don't know if its an exaggeration or not(probably not), they wrote like Mongols killed millions of Turks around Caspian sea to current Hungary and some more around eastern Anatolia, even killed animals as well. Cumans, Tatars escaped to Balkans, Azerbaijanis escaped to Anatolia. Uighurs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyzstan people couldn't escape tough. Ofc there was no distinction between these people at that times. All these people were considered as Oghuz or Kipchak Turks.

Mummies discovered in that area also matches the historical records. Mummies b4 13th century doesn't have Mongolic features but after the era of Genghis Khan, mummies got some Mongolic features.



Btw, whats the full name of this movie? Just "Mongol"???

Onur, it would be fair to say though, that Mongolian and Turkish are both from the Altaic group. Correct?

[Coolski]

i've seen this movie Osiris.. it was quite interesting, mainly because it didn't focus on his conquests as an emperor, but how he rose to conquer and unite his own people. He dealt with various forces within his own lands before building a great enough force to expand.

The other interesting thing for me was the Mongolian language. It was the first time i'd heard the language used for such a long period, and to my untrained ears the phonetics of the Mongolian language are very similar to the sounds used in Turkish.

[osiris]

i agree coolski the word altan is one i use myself and i found the love story behind it very amazing and totally unexpected greater in breadth and depth than many of the famous western love stories. it focused on the early years because its supposed to be the first part of a trilogy about his life.

[Onur]

Onur, it would be fair to say though, that Mongolian and Turkish are both from the Altaic group. Correct?

Yes ofc, both languages are called as Altaic but similarity in used vocabulary comes from Genghis Khan days like i explained b4.

[Soldier of Macedon]

If both are Altaic wouldnt the similarities already be in existence?