A valuable spoiler for The Pacific mini-series

[sydney]

for those who will become fans, try and avoid part 3. the majority is set in melbourne as the amercians take a break from the campaign in the pacific. and guess what? a love story blossoms between a marine and a greek girl.

what is it about melbourne - does a greek always need to be intertwined? this part of the mini-series is cringeworthy at best. a great line was when the greek girl's mother talks about being driven out of her home that was "invaded by turks". and her home - "smyrna". tom hanks' wife, of greek orthodox faith, must have insisted on this melbourne love story.

and as for Mrs Hanks, aka Rita Wilson, check it out, it gets better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Wilson

Wilson was born Margarita Ibrahimoff[1] in Los Angeles, California. Her father, a Muslim Bulgarian[2] who worked at a racetrack, was born in Greece; he later converted to Orthodoxy. Before immigrating to the U.S., he had lived in Bulgaria and Turkey;[3] her mother, Dorothy, was born and raised in an ethnic Greek village (Sotira) on the Albanian side of the border.[2][4] Wilson's family changed their surname from "Ibrahimoff" to "Wilson," which was a name of a local street in Southern California.

add this mob to the pure greek stock of ancient hellenic descent that are the rightful descendants of alexander.

[makedonche]

sydney
Good post! Good info on here, I'm glad I saw this before the episode commenced, save me vomitting!
It is interesting how powerful and effective movies are though!

[julie]

Cheers Sydney, I wont be watching

[Onur]

For few weeks, there is a rightful protest over this mini-series in Turkey.

This mini-series`s script writers are Greek Americans and its scenario is Pro-Greek and full of lies.

In one of episode, actors says "Turks invaded Smyrna(Izmir)" ..... Whatta hell! WTF is this... The truth is exactly opposite as you know. How dare they say a bullshit like this???

Invader Greeks becomes innocents and suffering Turkish people under the feet of fascist Greek soldiers becomes invaders!

I fckin hate never-ending false Greek propaganda with their converted/assimilated so called Hellass people.

Tom Hanks`s wife is just another example like "Georgios Karatzaferis". The people who undergone assimilation process in the name of Megali Idea and Hellenization.

Also, i don't understand how USA still dare to make a movie about their actions at pacific? The one and only thing world remembers, is their 2x atomic bomb on Japan, killing 250.000 people in one second and still causing deaths today with cancer because of radiation effects still exist on the soil.

They are just trying to poison fresh minds of young people all over the world with their lies by even using their shameful events like they did in Japan.

[fyrOM]

There definitely a Greek influence in Hollywood. Mail2onur your are definitely right that the USA uses film and TV as a propaganda tool. There have been documentaries on this in the past. They know many people don’t bother digging into history and many believe events in films are historically correct. There is no doubt to the power of the media when Santa clause is being put up in Japan. Also the adoption of valentines day is virtually world wide. Here’s a funny take though.

Kavadarci protest on behalf of St. Trifun

Hung Valentine

http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=283E859A72B6F34792A56E69C61C41B3

There is a funny photo I could not insert. The insert image button wants a url. Any body know how to do this.

St. Trifun is Orthodox and Catholic Saint Valentine's Day. Today came the fashion to celebrate Valentine's Day, because young people are not sufficiently addressed what is right according to the Orthodox faith. So I laid in the center of St. Valentine. To know that there is a major St. Trifun say Kavadarci

Plishanoto bear which is a kind of symbol of the feast of St. Valentine, Valentine's Day, yesterday was hung on a branch of dvestegodishniot maple in the center of Kavadarci.
With this act growers told that the wine in the city is celebrating the religious holiday of St. Trifun, not Valentine.
"In our region to celebrate the Orthodox holiday of St. Trifun, because the population is Orthodox, while Valentine is a Catholic holiday. Nowadays fashion somehow came to celebrate Valentine's Day, although young people are not sufficiently addressed what is right according to our faith . So I laid in the center of St. Valentine. To know who is the chief here, "commented the joke Kavadarci.
Besides spectacular hanging in Kavadarci and Negotino ceremony is zakroi grapevine, an act that is practiced every year on the fourteenth of February the whole world Trifun to protect the yield from storms and pests and the year to be home.
The vine is consecrated by spraying water, and growers with rich dishes and glasses filled with wine and brandy celebrating all day, hoping that the grapes will be sweet and give great race.
This year the holiday is celebrated St. Trifun even five days, and organized a number of occasions, and were awarded prizes for best wines.
Zakrojuvanjeto of vineyards in Kavadarci, this year launched the President of the Republic of Macedonia George Ivanov. (VK)

[sf.]

For few weeks, there is a rightful protest over this mini-series in Turkey.

This mini-series`s script writers are Greek Americans and its scenario is Pro-Greek and full of lies.

In one of episode, actors says "Turks invaded Smyrna(Izmir)" ..... Whatta hell! WTF is this... The truth is exactly opposite as you know. How dare they say a bullshit like this???

Invader Greeks becomes innocents and suffering Turkish people under the feet of fascist Greek soldiers becomes invaders!

I fckin hate never-ending false Greek propaganda with their converted/assimilated so called Hellass people.

Tom Hanks`s wife is just another example like "Georgios Karatzaferis". The people who undergone assimilation process in the name of Megali Idea and Hellenization.

Also, i don't understand how USA still dare to make a movie about their actions at pacific? The one and only thing world remembers, is their 2x atomic bomb on Japan, killing 250.000 people in one second and still causing deaths today with cancer because of radiation effects still exist on the soil.

They are just trying to poison fresh minds of young people all over the world with their lies by even using their shameful events like they did in Japan.

I've seen 4 episodes of this series, and except for the Greek propaganda part, it is very good. And we still don't know if and how the bombings would be addressed.

[Rogi]

The Greek connection to this film is perhaps more so to do with George Pelecanos.

He is a co-Producer of the series, a Greek-American and prior to the Pacific, he was/is a fairly well known novelist, having written the Nick Stefanos series of novels about a Greek former P.I in Washington.

Much of his work has a Greek angle to it (some more, some less), and as co-Producer of the Pacific, I imagine this would be no different.

[Risto the Great]

Did someone say Rita?

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1660&highlight=Margarita+Ibrahimoff

[Rogi]

Since we're moving to the topic of celebrity wives, here's something that may have gone unnoticed to many here....

Famous American actor, film director, writer and poet Emilio Estevez, who is the also son of Martin Sheen (Ramón Antonio Gerard Estévez) and brother of Charlie Sheen (Carlos Irwin Estévez), who was once married to Paula Abdul... is engaged (and has been since 2006) to Macedonian-American Sonja Magdevski.

[Onur]

Actually, all these people can be a thesis for a psychiatrist.

Because of the policy of constant psychological pressure and humiliation upon these people, most of them starts to hate their own culture, heritage and even their mother tongue. In the end, they deny their heritage and everything related with their true roots while absorb and accept the so called "Greek" culture.

But when they question themselves, they know that they are not really Greeks at all. So they try to be "more Greek than Greeks" as a solution for this inner shame and starts to hate his own roots. This is just a desperate attempt to get away from the truth.

"Rita Wilson" is an example for this, OR Turkish Karamanlides "Georgios Karatzaferis" of the political party LAOS. He is a Hellenic racist while having pure Turkish name and Turkish roots. How ironic is that?
Some people was even saying that Hitler`s mother was a Jew, so if this was true, we see the same pathological case here.

I pity for them actually. They are the just victims of racism and assimilation. Racism makes you feel a shame of your identity if you are not one of them.

* They assimilate you by forcing an artificial cultural change.

* Then victims of assimilation starts to feel ashamed of themselves because they know that it was just an artificial cultural transformation and everything is fake.

* Then you turn out to be a racist like them to feel a bit comfortable inside. Its an aftermath behavior of feeling ashamed of your real identity.


Assimilation process completed...

[Prolet]

Onur, Are you familiar with the name "Janichar" ?? THey are basically soldiers who as babies were kidnapped by the Ottoman Asker and then trained and sent back to fight against their own people in their villages and cities.

[Onur]

Onur, Are you familiar with the name "Janichar" ?? THey are basically soldiers who as babies were kidnapped by the Ottoman Asker and then trained and sent back to fight against their own people in their villages and cities.

Ofc i know but you cant compare it with the nationalistic racism of modern era.

Also "kidnapping babies" is merely a propaganda. It wasn't a kindergarten for baby sitting, it was a military school. There was some strict rules to choose people to train as Janissary and only the adolescents aged between 11-15 was suitable to be a Janissary.

Janissary was mostly Macedonians, Bosnians and Albanians and they just changed their names and religion but not ethnical identity. All Janissary soldiers called as like "Albanian Mehmet pasha, Macedonian ibrahim pasha etc.". Even their sons called like "Macedonian İbrahimoglou Ahmet" and more surprisingly, most families gave their sons to the army willingly because they had a chance to be rich and famous and live in Istanbul Topkapi Palace instead of being an ordinary farmer at Balkans.

Janissary squad abolished at 1830s after they lost the war in Greece. So, practically, these Macedonian, Albanian, Bosnian Janissary soldiers didn't fight vs their own people.

P. S : I can prove all this to you with documents if you want.

[julie]

mail2onur, that may be so, for the Janissairies, but many firstborn sons were taken away as mere babies from their mothers. Thse mothers would mark them in some way so that they may recognise the marking, sadly, the Turks took joy into returning these boys to their birth village where the mothers would sometimes recognise the markings, or ask them if they had a small toe missing etc to prove to these young men they were indeed Macedonian.
very sad.
And it shows what a decent people the Macedonian people are, we may never forget the injustices, but have forgiven so many

[Onur]

mail2onur, that may be so, for the Janissairies, but many firstborn sons were taken away as mere babies from their mothers. Thse mothers would mark them in some way so that they may recognise the marking, sadly, the Turks took joy into returning these boys to their birth village where the mothers would sometimes recognise the markings, or ask them if they had a small toe missing etc to prove to these young men they were indeed Macedonian.
very sad.

Yes its sad

We know what was the rules from handbooks written for Janissary instructors of 16-17th century. Most Janissary was the sons of poor farmers. The Bourgeois(Derebey(i) in Turkish) was local landowners who collects taxes from people to give government officers and they were observing hard working and strong looking adolescence kids and when the Janissary trainers comes to town, they were giving names of them.

But like i said, most families was happy that their sons will trained to be a Janissary in Istanbul since Janissary was already the greatest army of its time.

[osiris]

i dont think holding turkey and modern turks to account for the actions and policies of the ottoman empire serves any purpose what so ever, as far as empires went it was not one of the worst.

compare it to the western european colonial empires and it was no where near as bad. compare its impact on macedonian to that of greece and bulgaria, and again it was no where near as bad as these two self proclaimed democratic states.