It's all Greek to me: The etymology of Vasileus and Vasil

[Risto the Great]

Hey donkey boy, you don't have any ummm, errr, Russo/Ponto connections do you?
Perhaps your bad Russian came from family ties or something?

[Metodija]

I was hoping Juicy Fruit would put this up in this forum.

Your attempts are futile. As spartan explained the word means 'KING or ROYAL' in the Greek language. The word does not need to be changed around its straight forward VASILIAS = KING and thats where you get the name VASILI from.
Your post in the other forum mentions something about ' sil ' meaning powerful , thats awesome , in Russian SILA or SIL means ' strength or power' . THE WORD FOR KING/EMPEROR IS CLEARLY TZAR in the Slavonic languages.
I like when you mention 'im not sure what the Va stands for' yeah of course your not sure cause it means nothing, which is what you are trying to do here, making something out of nothing.
Im gonna give you a 2/10 becuase of the entertainment value in your post and for making us laugh a bit.

VASILIAS does not mean king in Greek it is associated with king in the greek language. Two different things!

An Example:
- Rus in Macedonian is people coming from Russia(ethnicity).
- Rusia == Russia
- In Macedonian rus is also associated with blond people. People that are blond are called rus.

=> So Russia is a Macedonian word which means blond people (greek logic )

Philosopher, I love your post!

[Ellinas]

VASILIAS does not mean king in Greek it is associated with king in the greek language. Two different things!

An Example:
- Rus in Macedonian is people coming from Russia(ethnicity).
- Rusia == Russia
- In Macedonian rus is also associated with blond people. People that are blond are called rus.

=> So Russia is a Macedonian word which means blond people (greek logic )

Philosopher, I love your post!

No your wrong, Vasilias literally means king in Greek...I'm not sure what makes anyone think otherwise

[Ellinas]

It turns out, that, "va" in Vasil, in Macedonian, means "in" and therefore the meaning of Vasil is "one who is in power or authority," as in one who is ruling--like a king or potentate.

So it looks like you have been disproved, once and for all?

Admit defeat!!!

So how do you say "in" in your language?

I'm just curious, how do you say "powerful one or mighty one" in your language?

[osiris]

are you serious


No your wrong, Vasilias literally means king in Greek...I'm not sure what makes anyone think otherwise
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if its true your level of historical knowledge is most basic, you need to read kid read.

in ancient greek more than half of its word are loan words from other language.

[Delodephius]

If I may.

Power is a noun. In most Slavic languages (rus, sk, srb, mk, etc.) it is called sila, hence an adjective powerful would be silan, silný, silen, siln, etc. The root and at the same time base of the word is *sil. Since in the word Vasile(us) the part sile is not an adjective but a noun, what you asked about "how do you say "powerful one or mighty one" in your language" has no relation to the issue at hand.
Pondering about the word I realized the part sile is in the Genitive case which corresponds with the usage of the preposition va meaning in. I would say that is more than a coincidence.

[makedonin]

So how do you say "in" in your language?

I'm just curious, how do you say "powerful one or mighty one" in your language?

v* va* vo* >in, inside

sila > power

silen > powerful, strong

Slovak,

building Nouns from Adjectives and this from Verbs ans vice versa is the most natural thing in our language, and examples are as many as you wish.

In Macedonian Sila>Power is Noun and silen>powerful is Adjective while pri-sile,za-sile,na-silen hense *sile/en/na is Verb

In the worst case, Baselius, Vaselius and Vasil as Va* Sil are with very common root

[Ellinas]

are you serious


No your wrong, Vasilias literally means king in Greek...I'm not sure what makes anyone think otherwise
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if its true your level of historical knowledge is most basic, you need to read kid read.

in ancient greek more than half of its word are loan words from other language.

LOL thats the first I've heard of that

Can you show me one non Slav Macedonian source that backs that up?

[Ellinas]

Thanks for the explaination guys

I know Ive asked this a few times already but I assure you guys I'm not being rude, I just need some convincing - can anyone provide me a non-Slav-Macedonian link that says Vasilias originates from the Slav Macedonian language?

[osiris]

sorry elinas i cant be bothered going over the same old ground about the ancient greek langauge. actually i cant find one non modern greek source who doesnt belive that. do your own research ellinas.

[Delodephius]

Thanks for the explaination guys

I know Ive asked this a few times already but I assure you guys I'm not being rude, I just need some convincing - can anyone provide me a non-Slav-Macedonian link that says Vasilias originates from the Slav Macedonian language?

Why do you always assume that everything in this World has already been discovered?

Before an hour ago I don't think anyone ever came to an idea that sile in Vasile(us) was a Genitive form of sila-power. I doubt a book or a whole research paper was written about it since then.

[Ellinas]

sorry elinas i cant be bothered going over the same old ground about the ancient greek langauge. actually i cant find one non modern greek source who doesnt belive that. do your own research ellinas.

Just provide me with one source and I will believe you

[Ellinas]

Why do you always assume that everything in this World has already been discovered?

Before an hour ago I don't think anyone ever came to an idea that sile in Vasile(us) was a Genitive form of sila-power. I doubt a book or a whole research paper was written about it since then.

And yet you think you've uncovered a secret answer to the meaning of Vasilias even though EVERY bit of info you find will say that Vasilias is a Greek word which literally means King

[Philosopher]

You guys are all missing something. Just because the word "Vasil" literally does not spell out "king," doesn't mean it doesn't mean king. You have to understand the ancients, in their use of primitive words, used a word or words to describe something or some action. To them, a person who was a king, was not originally called King; and even if the word "King" existed, the meaning or the action of the word king implied "one who is in authority or power," a ruler or potentate. Words evolve. The same was true with the usage of "Caesar." Originally, it was the name of Julius Caesar; afterwards, Caesar became a title, an appellation, for ruler--for emperor.

Vasileus is not a native Greek word; it is borrowed. For example, how is that a Greek can break down the name Georgios into "earth worker," "farmer," yet you can't break down the word "Vasileus?" When broken down, Vasileus has no meaning whatsoever in Greece. It means king because that is what the word means in another language; hence, it is transliterated into Hellenic as such.

Most people don't accept that Vasileus is Greek in origin; they accept that it is Greek in the sense that the name comes from the root "Vasil," which they ascribe to Greek since they don't know the real origin of it. In other words, "It's all Greek to them."

Frankly, I don't care whether or not anyone agrees with our findings. Most people start with an a prior assumption that "Slavs" weren't even in the Balkans at the time when the word "Vasileus" existed, let alone to be the basis for the word. Just because no one cares to look at Slavic languages to explain such matters, does not mean they are not true.

The fact is: in Macedonian, the word means "one who is in authority" the very meaning of a King or ruler of sorts. In Greek, however, "Va-sil-eus," has no meaning whatsoever.

Why are Greeks so obdurate?

[Ellinas]

So if I say Va Sil, What does that literally translate into in Slav-Macedonian?