Skopje 2014 plan

[macorules94]

What the fuck is this piece of fucking shit? Huh? This is the stupidest plan I've ever seen.
What's with the stupid old architecture, and old style buildings? It's 2010 isn't it, not 1950.
Even Albanians have more fucking sense in them. Fucking, Tirana looks better than Skopje,
as it is now, and they plan on making their city better. They fucking are focusing on the future,
and are making attractive architecture with skyscrapers, so it attracts tourists.
Even fucking Bulgaria is making a 300m building in Sofia. But bloody Skopje is just
making stupid crappy nationalistic shit, and they need to get some fucking sense into their heads.
Sorry if I'm sounding like a fuck face, but Skopje should demolish all their ugly buildings
(which is like 99% of the city) and make fucking nice looking skyscrapers that are at least 200m tall.
How do they expect tourists to get attracted to it? Yes there is Ohrid, which is a
nice old style town, but the Capital city should be fucking nice modern looking.
MODERN, 2010, not 1910. Here are good fucking examples of modern skyscrapers that Skopje needs:



They don't have to be that fucking tall, or that fucking beautiful, but, fucking most buildings in Skopje look like this piece of shit:



Just because Skopje is an old city, wait, its not fucking old. Wasn't it made all again in 1963 from the fucking earthquake anyway? So it's only 47 years old, and is complete rubbish.

Thank you for your time

[fyrOM]

You’re a bit late maacorules94 the 80s revival came and went. Oh yeah your from Perth maybe it just got there.

The last photo you showed is of the 60s monstrosities. Must have looked so cool from a purple haze but now is internationally recognised as an architectural mistake and it is sad as you say a large portion of Skopje looks like this. Maybe being rebuilt in the 60s had something to do with it. none the less lets not correct one mistake with another. The 80s greed is good steel and glass look has always been said to lack warmth and character. Even Chinas modernisation has been praised for some parts while other parts have been criticised as over the top and like out of a science fiction film.

Fruit loops are everywhere and we need to guard against them. A good rule of thumb is take a look at successful cities and try to see which bits could be modified to suit Skopje. I think gruevskis team are in the right direction. Could it be improved. Probably but 80s cold and brass or Chinese science fiction is not a better alternative.

[Komita]

A be samo serite nisto drugo. Stay in your fucking countries with your shiny skyscrapers and stop complaining about everything.

So it's only 47 years old, and is complete rubbish.

According to whom? Stay in your country and dont worry about how skopje looks because you will most probably see it once in 10 years.

[Volk]

macorules94, thank fuck you have no input in what Skopje looks like.

Can you put a national archive, museum, memorial ect in a skyscraper you fool?

Skyscraper's are for business and apartments

[Frank]

Do you really want skyscrapers in Skopje I don’t

I rather see the careful servicing of Skopjes pre 1960 Earth Quake structures

Imagine an entire street come alive as it was 100 years ago a tourist can stroll by whilst a local can mingle and do their business

But with poverty and urban squallers unlikely and the lack of educated planners forget it.

And the concept of Statues and Monuments is a emulation of the great architecture of major Europe Capitals, right on concept but the model has not been well thought out it hasn’t but what annoys me is this the amount of opposition to it especially the rants it is all Nationalism we better not do it the EU will scold us so let’s behave shall we

Fear not this plan has no chance of ever happening but atleast it was a endeavour to change Skopje a try.

[BigMak]

Fuck man Can you fuckin swear a little more for fuck sake

I quite fuckin like the plans, I think they are fuckin great considering Skopje lacks the most simplistic array of buildings in the first fuckin place

There is plenty of room for non-government fucken funded skyscrapers fucken

YouTube - Macedonia Timeless Capital Skopje 2014

[makedonche]

Fuck man Can you fuckin swear a little more for fuck sake

I quite fuckin like the plans, I think they are fuckin great considering Skopje lacks the most simplistic array of buildings in the first fuckin place

There is plenty of room for non-government fucken funded skyscrapers fucken

YouTube - Macedonia Timeless Capital Skopje 2014

BigMak,
Fuckin yeah for Fuck's fuckin sake!

[Risto the Great]

macorules94 also suggests we rename Bitola to Monastir.
I suggest you read his words more than his name to determine the calibre of the person.

[makedonche]

macorules94
You make some very valid points here, swearing aside, my view is that every generation should be allowed or encouraged to contribute to the architectual landscape in their own way according to their own interpretations. Bearing this statement in mind it also gives rise to the need to repect previous generations contributions, each contribution should be a reflection of that generation, that time, those resources available( finances,land, building materials, labour etc.).

[sf.]

This is the first I'll comment on the Skopje project. Personally, I think it's a little over the top with the old school design. I can tolerate the columned facades, but the triumphal arch and some other features seem out of place. It is clear that this is a political project as much (if not more) as it is architectural. My question is, will the Skopjani be happy with how their city looks years from now? We can argue about the project here all we like, but time is the best judge.

Notes: Not all major cities have sky-scrapers, eg Paris. And some features like that pyramid at the Louvre seem out of place.
Berlin has some very interesting modern public spaces and buildings that have been built after re-unification.

[Prolet]

In Germany only Frankfurt has a few Sky Scrapers, i dont want to be seeing buildings like that around my city. If somebody is prepared to fund a project like this privately with all the safety features then its fine but it must be done properly not like those projects that we see above.

We cant compare Skopje to Dubai, Dubai is a desert its got nothing they dont have water there for starters (Natural Springs) people go there because its a fake city with Indoor Ski Centers you dont need that in Skopje we have Snow every year.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

I think the Skopje 2014 plan is quite good. Especially after the earthquake i think it's great that they are considering building some old style buildings. These statues and old style buildings symbolize our culture and heritage, building skyscrapers has no relevance to Macedonia and will not attract much tourism either. If i wanted to see skyscrapers i wouldn't go to Skopje, even if they did showcase a few.

Secondly, Macedonia does not have the money to build such a city as you mentioned. Statues and smaller olden style buildings will generate more revenue in the long run. People will actually travel to see the main square in Skopje. We have to embrace our heroes, and this architecture could even be a catalyst in waking the nation up, maybe they will truly discover that they are Macedonians and that this shall remain so.

Besides, building skyscrapers which would be surrounded by villages and shitty flats would not go well. If we aren't going to rebuild the whole city from scratch, there is no point using different architecturer throughout, it'd just look tacky. Have a look at the Mother Teresa house and you'll know what I'm saying.

Prague is a primary example of how old architecture can ultimately make for a beautiful city.

[Frank]

Prague is a primary example of how old architecture can ultimately make for a beautiful city

One of the most attactive citys in Europe

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Definitely Frank, i hope to go there one day...have heard great things about Prague.
In regard to Skopje, i am aware of the basic appearance prior to the earthquake in the 60's, however how did it compare with other cities in Europe at the time?

The stari may be able to help here :P

[Prolet]

Its a good comparison Egejska

I guess Skopje is not far from Prague in the sense of size and population, however every city is different. You cant compare Skopje to cities like Istanbul,London,Rome,Paris they are simply far to large.

If we are talking about Sky Scrapers Skopje needs to have millions in population and the city is simply too small for that.