Mixed Martial Arts / Boxing Thread

[Karposh]

Not one person, such as the founder, chairman or secretary is aware of how detrimental the prefix is to the identity of the country and nation? Not one of them has bothered to check the website that represents their club? Doubtful on both counts, but if it's an innocent mistake that hasn't been noticed due to negligence, then it needs to be rectified immediately, lest it leave a lasting and embarrassing stain. It's not that hard to be consistent. Best of luck to them.

Yep, you're right. The older heads actually running the club should know better. Anyway, I messaged them about this and this is what I had to say:

Hi Guys,

I just found out about your existence after recently hearing Paul Gallon mention you in a press conference (who is the Assistant Coach apparently). I had to look you up and I'm loving everything about it including the merchandise. I'll be definitely getting one of those awesome jerseys in the not too distant future. I do, however, have a couple of criticisms which I must mention. Namely, the Prespa Agreement between Greece and "North" Macedonia does not obligate Australia to fall into line with the terms of agreement between these two countries. You are representing the whole of the Macedonian community in this country with this team and not just the Macedonians from the Republic. Please remove any mention of the prefix "North" from your website. It's unnecessary and does not need to be volunteered as a naming convention for the Republic of Macedonia. "Macedonia" would be sufficient to describe the origins of the team players. The other criticism I had was with your usage of the ventilator flag on Uncle Sam's hat as depicted on your Home Page. Again, there is no need to include this in any form or combination on your website. That flag was forced on Macedonians in the Republic. No one is forcing it on us here in Australia so please remove it from your website.

I'll keep you posted on any replies that I get back.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I think what's going on is that this team was put together by a bunch of mates (Rugby League enthusiasts) from Sydney, Wollongong & Newcastle whose hearts are in the right place but, unfortunately, are a little ignorant about certain things that matter when representing Macedonia and Macedonians.

Not one person, such as the founder, chairman or secretary is aware of how detrimental the prefix is to the identity of the country and nation? Not one of them has bothered to check the website that represents their club? Doubtful on both counts, but if it's an innocent mistake that hasn't been noticed due to negligence, then it needs to be rectified immediately, lest it leave a lasting and embarrassing stain. It's not that hard to be consistent. Best of luck to them.

[Karposh]

As this team is based in Australia rather than Macedonia, one could reasonably assume that they are free from treasonous impositions. One would think. The lion logo on the website and the lion/sun symbols on their team shirts certainly suggest as much. Yet, they have a ventilator-clad Uncle Sam image on their website and the below gem from their "meet the team" description:

The idea of a Macedonian rugby team is a good initiative, but why on earth would they use such a treasonous description for the country? Why the unnecessary contradictions? I wonder who among their "team" is responsible for the content on the website.

Yeah, I checked out their website too and some YouTube videos of them as well. I have to say, I'm loving those jerseys with the Macedonian sun on one side and the lion on the other. I especially love those black T-shirts with the same symbols. I think what's going on is that this team was put together by a bunch of mates (Rugby League enthusiasts) from Sydney, Wollongong & Newcastle whose hearts are in the right place but, unfortunately, are a little ignorant about certain things that matter when representing Macedonia and Macedonians. I feel like they need to be advised about these things and I'm surprised why no one has picked up on these things you just mentioned. The use of the ventilator (in any form or combination) or volunteering the prefix "North" to Macedonia is unacceptable in this country. The Prespa Agreement does not apply here. People need to realise this. Just as an example, my sister recently called to ask me whether to enter my niece in a beauty pageant under the name "North" Macedonia to which I replied, without trying to lecture her too much, that my niece is representing the Macedonian community in this country and not just the Republic of Macedonia so the only appropriate name under which she should enter the competition is MACEDONIA. She agreed with me and thanked me for the advice. After all, Macedonians in Australia have origins from the whole of the Macedonian homeland and not just "North" Macedonia.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I had no idea but Paul Gallon, who used to play for the Cronulla Sharks Rugby League side, is now the Assistant Coach for the International Macedonian Rugby League Team. I had no idea there was such a thing. Wow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2YRPEl9J8

As this team is based in Australia rather than Macedonia, one could reasonably assume that they are free from treasonous impositions. One would think. The lion logo on the website and the lion/sun symbols on their team shirts certainly suggest as much. Yet, they have a ventilator-clad Uncle Sam image on their website and the below gem from their "meet the team" description:

https://www.macedonianrugbyleague.com/about-1

Meet the team behind North Macedonia's international Rugby League Team. The Macedonian Lions' origin story is one of the shining lights to have come out of the 2020 Covid 19 epidemic. In tough times all we have is each other, together we aim to create a community of support behind our young Lions that unifies us all as we go to war on the field for our great nation.

The idea of a Macedonian rugby team is a good initiative, but why on earth would they use such a treasonous description for the country? Why the unnecessary contradictions? I wonder who among their "team" is responsible for the content on the website.

[Solun]

Watching this youtube clip completely changes my perception of Gal as a bogan

[Karposh]

Would be good to see Kris Terzievski beat Gal

Currently paying $2.17 with sportsbet so far from a longshot

First time I've ever heard of Kris Terzievski. I saw a short YouTube documentary about him and he seems like a really good and humble sort of bloke. His dad passed away when he was 12 years old, the poor bugger. That would have been tough to deal with at such a young age.

Paul Gallon called him a "soft cock" in his summation of him recently in one interview which really pissed me off but then he redeemed himself by saying some really good things about Macedonia and Macedonians in another interview from two weeks ago. I had no idea but Paul Gallon, who used to play for the Cronulla Sharks Rugby League side, is now the Assistant Coach for the International Macedonian Rugby League Team. I had no idea there was such a thing. Wow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2YRPEl9J8

[Solun]

Would be good to see Kris Terzievski beat Gal

Currently paying $2.17 with sportsbet so far from a longshot

[Soldier of Macedon]

There was a few dumb ass comments on YouTube from Macedonians bitching about the fact that Volk has yet to come out draped in the Macedonian flag. I didn't want to waste my time with many of them but I did take issue with one guy who spewed out profanities for the same reason in Macedonian.

The ironic stupidity is that some of those dumb asses probably live in Macedonia, do nothing to resist the illegal name change (among other detrimental northadonist policies), pretend to be patriots whilst draped in a treasonous ventilator flag and defend the position of about half the players in the starting lineup of the national football team who care little for the country and refuse to sing the anthem. They're in no position to pass judgement on a guy who is not even born in Macedonia yet consistently declares his Macedonian heritage when the subject comes up. Alex may be apolitical because he wants to avoid controversy given his mother's ancestry, but at least he isn't ashamed of his father's Macedonian ancestry.

[Karposh]

There was a few dumb ass comments on YouTube from Macedonians bitching about the fact that Volk has yet to come out draped in the Macedonian flag. I didn't want to waste my time with many of them but I did take issue with one guy who spewed out profanities for the same reason in Macedonian. I replied back in Macedonian that although many of us would like to see him draped in the Macedonian flag, that's not likely to happen for a number of reasons. His mum is Greek, his wife is Australian, his kids are essentially Australian and he, himself, is basically as bogan Aussie as they get (albeit a very bogan wog). I doubt very much that he can even string a single comprehensible sentence in Macedonian. Nevertheless, as I explained to this idiot, Alex is a proud Macedonian and never misses the opportunity to declare his Macedonian heritage any chance he gets.

[Karposh]

I must admit, I don't recall having seen him fight before. I like how clean he hits and that he doesn't drop down into a homoerotic wrestling move at every opportunity. A powerhouse!

You sure have a way with words Risto. Completely agree though. Volk definitely prefers to slug it out on his feet rather than rolling around on the floor, Greco-Roman style. He won a lot of people over with that performance the other day as well as shutting up a lot of his doubters. The fight should have probably been called in the third and what many are still talking about is how admirable Volk was by asking the Korean guy if he's sure about copping more punishment by continuing with another round. This shows compassion for his foe and earned him a lot of respect. The Korean guy wasn't even the contest. He was basically a punching bag.

[Risto the Great]

I must admit, I don't recall having seen him fight before. I like how clean he hits and that he doesn't drop down into a homoerotic wrestling move at every opportunity. A powerhouse!

[Soldier of Macedon]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/ufc/zom...c068b64309d55d

Volkanovski secured his 11th straight win since entering the UFC with a staggeringly-dominant fourth round stoppage of Chan Sung Jung inside the VyStar Veterans Memorial Arena. In a reminder to anyone who needed reminding, Volkanovski carved out three-and-a-bit rounds of absolute perfection before ‘The Korean Zombie’ was finally put out of his misery.

Another great win for the champ and his most dominant performance thus far. Very hard to see anybody capable of defeating him in his division. It would be good if he moves up to lightweight after another win or two and seek a new challenge.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Here's an interview by three Italian-Australian guys with Alexander Volkanovski regarding his heritage. Watch between the 8 minute to 10 minute mark. Pretty funny. All fair enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aKJ0NGvTA0

[Momce Makedonce]

Funny thing about the first generation Macedonian Australians and butchering the Macedonian language that you mentioned Momche. Let me flip that and mention about how Macedonians in Macedonia are butchering the Macedonian language by Anglicizing it over there. I noticed it when I went back in 2012, have spoken of my experiences of it in other threads here

Very true Spirit, in regard to the Anglicizing of the language.

Even in Macedonian music (more modern pop or rap songs) I see this happen. Traditional folk music still preserves proper vocabulary which I admire.

I think it makes some Macedonians feel cool to use English words. I guess for some English words there is no way of saying it in Macedonian so it would make sense to use the English word, but it seems they are replacing Macedonian words with English ones for no reason.

I don't think it only happens in Macedonia, most of the world has become very Westernised culturally, especially in this day and age where everything is available to easily consume online in the form of music and movies e.t.c.

[Spirit]

Haha tell me about it!

Some of these first generation Macedonian Australians absolutely butcher speaking Macedonian! But I respect the ones that at least try.

There is no way you are going to speak a language as fluently as possible if you don't at least try to speak it as much as possible.

I have been spoilt to have grown up in a household where it was spoken daily, so others have told me I sound very natural when I speak. My first cousins on the other hand grew up barely speaking it and they struggled especially with returning (understanding was ok). It's not until the last 10 years they have gotten much better at speaking it, importantly they seem much more interested in it these days.

On that note, it seems like more and more younger Macedonian Australians are gaining more of an interest and connection with Macedonia, Macedonian culture, sense of Macedonian community e.t.c.

Does it have anything to do with the increase in sporting success for Macedonia and Macedonians the last 10 years?

From following Volkanovski, to packing out halls and clubhouses when Macedonia reached the Euros, it seems like there is a rejuvenated interest amongst the youth compared to when I was in school not that long ago.

We also had the 4th place in Eurobasket 2011, Georgievski winning silver at the Olympics this year, Vardar twice winning the Handball Champions League and FK Vardar making the group stages of the Europa League.

One of the above mentioned cousins couldn't care less about Macedonia when we were younger and probably would have preferred to be something 'cooler'. Now he is the first be getting up to watch Macedonia play football and celebrating the silver at the Olympics, he has even joined me at the local Macedonian football club.

Perhaps the pride was always there under the surface? Just waiting for some success or something noteworthy to attach itself to.

I would trade all the sporting success away any day for a stable and strong Macedonia, which is much more important! But that at least is one positive thing from the last 10 years that I have noticed.

Funny thing about the first generation Macedonian Australians and butchering the Macedonian language that you mentioned Momche. Let me flip that and mention about how Macedonians in Macedonia are butchering the Macedonian language by Anglicizing it over there. I noticed it when I went back in 2012, have spoken of my experiences of it in other threads here