Shmuel Vaknin aka 'Sam' - The Liar

[makedonche]

Ummm, 2 = yes Makedonche.
Stop being so angry.

RTG
We don't need anyone to tell us it's ok or to back it or to approve it, that's been the problem all along, as soon as we took heed of any other opinions, then the rest of them came out of the woodwork with what we should or shouldn't call ourselves and that we should respect our neighbours and encourage good neighbourly relations by agreeing to negotiate, and agreeing to a UN mediator to help us be good neighbours in solving the name issue! NAME ISSUE????? WTF...... There is no name issue! - we don't need approval,support,agreements or mediators - the simple answer to all of the questions posed and any other they wish to pose is "NO" there is no name issue, no name negotiation, nothing to discuss, wev'e chosen already!

If the USA, EU & Russia had an ounce of Integrity and the balls to back it up this "name issue" that Greece has, wouldn't exist.

[fyrOM]

RTG do you know the story of the man standing in the middle of a city a bit dumbfounded. Another person walks up to him and asks him what are you looking for. He says people. The second guy say there are people all around you. He says there not people. Do you really think the eu usa Russia or any of them are lujge. If they were there would be no name issue to discuss. The devil is in the detail. In point 2 the citizens of which Macedonia can so choose to define themselves - the Macedonians in Macedonia the Macedonians in Greek Macedonia or the Greeks in Greek Macedonia who want to call themselves Macedonians. Then does this agreement preclude other people say in Bulgaria or Albania from choosing to define themselves as Macedonian. I�m with makedonce. It sounds like document cooked up at 3am in a bar after a night out drinking. Whenever a sales person comes to you if its too good to be true it probably is and just say no.

[Risto the Great]

The pre-condition in this silly little exercise is that some super powers drive this process. And that those super powers are to acknowledge Macedonians as Macedonians. Not that difficult fellas. I have no problem with that starting assumption.

[Rogi]

I'm sorry, what is this all about?

Since when is the Macedonian ethnicity up for negotiation or discussion? That is outside of the illegal Interim Accord and outside of the jurisdiction of any party mentioned above.

It is purely about the name of the State, and the State's right to the name. There's nothing else beyond that. Sam may be confusing a clear legal argument with his tendency to politicise a clear issue, or allow the politicisation (as Greece is doing) of some very clear legal issues.

Why is ethnicity up for discussion here? If anything is to be raised and 'internationalised', it is Greece's horrific treatment of its' ethnic minorities and in particular the Macedonian minority in Greece.

[Prolet]

Sam Vaknin is just repeating the same stuff over and over again, he's like a broken record.

We dont need to listen to his shit, he has nothing good to offer.

[julie]

makedonche, am with you brother

negotiation , a definition by Julie.

To the next person, animal, thing that uses the term negotiation and Macedonia in the same breath

I would take great delight in removing their testicles if they have any and feeding it to them . females will suffer another fate

And to those UMD Titoist bottom lickers, get lost.

[Prolet]

http://sitel.com.mk/node/13426

[zadan]

Zadan and Vaknin

for fairness you should read vaknin response:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/rebuttal.html

vaknin is member of frckoski group platforma and apaer many times with frckoski, buckovski, mehmeti, ismail, beleli and many albanians and komunijari. vaknin is frend of gruevski. vaknin work with osmani from dui. what is going on with vaknin the oktopod????? what vaknin and frckoski doing with vleje and jurnalist jovanovski in "simulation" of name issue in ohrid that vaknin is calling second ohrid agreement???? vaknin is every were and in every ting!!!


what happen to the health comitee that vaknin and bujar osmani made? vaknin made many promises and then disapaer completly with this health project!!!!! why did he start and why sudenly stop? what is vaknin doing in our country?what dark plans he has for us?


see vaknin on vo centar with vasko evtov? he is confirming everything i write here!


macedonia is very interesting for mosad and izrael because of islamists and
wahabists and terrorist mujahidin here in kosovo and albania and bih. this
is normal.

everyone know vaknin is mosad spy. his sister is general in izraeli army and
chief censor. see this article about VAKNIN SISTER:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/03/world/la-fg-israel-censor-qa-20100503

another mosad spy gidion sandel is back in izrael now after he was in prison
here for fake credit cards.

but why vaknin is here exactly all the time? what he wants from our poor
tatkovina? why he is connected to GRUEVSKI? he is planing to destroy
macedonia for sure. but why?

1. GEORGIEVSKI sad in vo centar (vasko eftov) that vaknin convince him to make GRUEVSKI minister

2. vaknin initiate simulation game of name negotiations in ohrid with VELJE
(and "jurnalist" borjan jovanovski)

3. KERIM is repeating vaknin plan for direct negotiation with greece

http://www.globalpolitician.com/26368-macedonia-greece-name-issue

why respectable man like kerim is promoting agenda of big hater of
macedonia, enemy of macedonians, bigamist, criminal escaped from izrael, and psicopat like fake "doctor" vaknin?

why no macedonian television is showing this movie documentar about vaknin? what are they afraid of?

see this interntaional movie about the true vaknin:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/i-psychopath/

vaknin made donkys and monkys out of macedonian journalists and is calling them prostitutes in this article:

http://samvak.tripod.com/pp43.html

they always interview him as expert, but he has fake "doctorate" and is
izmamnik in jail in izrael and escaped from there, living wife and childrens
behind him with no mony, nothing.

why not to make him persona-non-grate, to throw him out of macedonia?

for fairness you should read vaknin response:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/rebuttal.html

[makedonche]

Golem spion! Frli go nadvoor ot makedonija otma!

[Prolet]

1. GEORGIEVSKI sad in vo centar (vasko eftov) that vaknin convince him to make GRUEVSKI minister

Georgievski said that he liked an article that Gruevski wrote and he was promoted.

It was Mane Jakovleski who suggested that Nikola Gruevski become President of the VMRO party, Nikola Gruevski said he would only accept if he had the support of the senior VMRO leaders which he did and he hasnt looked back since.

[Bratot]

for fairness you should read vaknin response:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/rebuttal.html

vaknin is member of frckoski group platforma and apaer many times with frckoski, buckovski, mehmeti, ismail, beleli and many albanians and komunijari. vaknin is frend of gruevski. vaknin work with osmani from dui. what is going on with vaknin the oktopod????? what vaknin and frckoski doing with vleje and jurnalist jovanovski in "simulation" of name issue in ohrid that vaknin is calling second ohrid agreement???? vaknin is every were and in every ting!!!


what happen to the health comitee that vaknin and bujar osmani made? vaknin made many promises and then disapaer completly with this health project!!!!! why did he start and why sudenly stop? what is vaknin doing in our country?what dark plans he has for us?


see vaknin on vo centar with vasko evtov? he is confirming everything i write here!


macedonia is very interesting for mosad and izrael because of islamists and
wahabists and terrorist mujahidin here in kosovo and albania and bih. this
is normal.

everyone know vaknin is mosad spy. his sister is general in izraeli army and
chief censor. see this article about VAKNIN SISTER:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/03/world/la-fg-israel-censor-qa-20100503

another mosad spy gidion sandel is back in izrael now after he was in prison
here for fake credit cards.

but why vaknin is here exactly all the time? what he wants from our poor
tatkovina? why he is connected to GRUEVSKI? he is planing to destroy
macedonia for sure. but why?

1. GEORGIEVSKI sad in vo centar (vasko eftov) that vaknin convince him to make GRUEVSKI minister

2. vaknin initiate simulation game of name negotiations in ohrid with VELJE
(and "jurnalist" borjan jovanovski)

3. KERIM is repeating vaknin plan for direct negotiation with greece

http://www.globalpolitician.com/26368-macedonia-greece-name-issue

why respectable man like kerim is promoting agenda of big hater of
macedonia, enemy of macedonians, bigamist, criminal escaped from izrael, and psicopat like fake "doctor" vaknin?

why no macedonian television is showing this movie documentar about vaknin? what are they afraid of?

see this interntaional movie about the true vaknin:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/i-psychopath/

vaknin made donkys and monkys out of macedonian journalists and is calling them prostitutes in this article:

http://samvak.tripod.com/pp43.html

they always interview him as expert, but he has fake "doctorate" and is
izmamnik in jail in izrael and escaped from there, living wife and childrens
behind him with no mony, nothing.
why not to make him persona-non-grate, to throw him out of macedonia?

for fairness you should read vaknin response:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/rebuttal.html

Could you state the opposite about the most of our journalist and media than Vaknin?

Beside the personal distortion of Vaknin in many occassions where he is insultive and respectless toward us and directly suggesting anti-macedonian solutions, who do you suggest is behind his role in Macedonia?

I'm not sure if we should give him more attention than he deserve really, but I would like to hear more argumentated analysis than presumption of his "intentions" and purposes in Macedonia. I'm not interested in "zhuta shtampa" debate.

Georgievski said that he liked an article that Gruevski wrote and he was promoted.

It was Mane Jakovleski who suggested that Nikola Gruevski become President of the VMRO party, Nikola Gruevski said he would only accept if he had the support of the senior VMRO leaders which he did and he hasnt looked back since.

Could you give any reference to this and tell us more about it?
How did you find out Prolet?

[zadan]

Georgievski said that he liked an article that Gruevski wrote and he was promoted.

It was Mane Jakovleski who suggested that Nikola Gruevski become President of the VMRO party, Nikola Gruevski said he would only accept if he had the support of the senior VMRO leaders which he did and he hasnt looked back since.

no, georgievski clear says in interview vo centar that vaknin recomend him gruevski to be minister. it is on youtube, no problem to see. gruevski become minister after he and vaknin publish book of dialogs (also publish first in the papers). this made gruevski famos as ekonomist:

http://worldcat.org/oclc/52239639&referer=brief_results

gruevski now delete this chapter from his official history in goverment page sight - no vaknin there ...))

http://www.vlada.mk/?q=node/958

but he wrot this biographia long ago on vaknin website (tripod), so he cannot lie to history:

http://samvak.tripod.com/cvng.html

also den donchev tell everyone in australia that vaknin made gruevski, he was nothing without vaknin, no knolege, etc. vaknin was the brain, gruevski just fasada and that vaknin give idea for gruevski to be head of vmro. donchev know because he was generalen sekretar of vmro. this is also very know in public in macedonia and papers there say it all the time; with out vaknin there was no gruevski, he is marioneta of vaknin.

[zadan]

atention

I'm not sure if we should give him more attention than he deserve really,

he deserve many more atention than he recive. he is with gruevski, frckoski, osmani and he deserve no atention? dont u see that he is kind of oktopod that someting very bad is goin with him? he is not normal jurnalist or nobody foreiner - he is involved in history of our tatkovina in very deep way!

[Simply Macedonian]

I believe Eftov should also be declared persona non grata..or at the very least-OFF THE AIR..for his anti Macedonian rantings.

[Prolet]

Could you give any reference to this and tell us more about it?
How did you find out Prolet?

Bratot, This information has already been posted why havnt you been paying attention?

Mane Jakovleski mentions it for the very first time.

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