Greetings

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, when RtG asked you to produce a larger image of your avatar, you did so accompanied by the following sentence:

Not many people know that we had a monarchy in Macedonia and we still do till this day.

Did Samoil or Marko use such an emblem to represent their kingdoms or monarchies at the time?

Im not exactly sure about your question, are you asking me to give you more details and facts about our monarchy or you do not believe that we've ever had a monarchy??

Prolet, stick to one timeframe, you speak of our monarchy like it exists today and then you talk about it in the past tense. Of course Macedonian monarchies exsited in the past, but there is no Macedonian monarchy today.

[Prolet]

SOM, There are ostatoci of the Monarhija that are left over, here is a bit of info that i could gather. I dont know weather they used that emblem or not, what do you know about Macedonian Monarchy??

What do you think about that Emblem?? You never did give me your thoughts of it.

Risto, i dont believe you told me either.

http://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/монархија

http://www.macedonium.org/Macedonium.aspx?jazik=2&kid=19&pid=36&ppid=303&tid=35

http://www.macedonium.org/Macedonium.aspx?jazik=2&kid=19&pid=36&ppid=303&tid=34

http://silence.heavenforum.com/forum-f8/topic-t930.htm

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, the symbol looks good, but you're statement is what I am questioning.

There is nothing on any of the links about an existing Macedonian monarchy, you should be clearer with your statements going forward so that they don't appear misleading.

[Rogi]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before or not, but have any of you come across or heard about the Macedonian Monarchist League?

http://royalmacedonia.webs.com/

Particularly this:

http://royalmacedonia.webs.com/grandduchyofmacedonia.htm

The Grand Duchy of Macedonia

In August, 1943 Baron Gyula Istvan Cseszneky de Milvany et Cseszneg was proclaimed Grand Duke (Grand Voivode) of Macedonia. Grand Duke Julius, whose family had held feudal lordships in medievel Macedonia and had strong ties with the antifascist Italian authorities, with the support of local Macedonian autonomists established a Macedonian statelet in Kostur and Grevena regions.


Baron Julius Cseszneky de Milvany, Grand Duke of Macedonia


Grand Duke Julius's aim was to create an independent and united Macedonia. The Grand Duke protected the local Jewish community against Nazi troops, after the war his merits were recognized in Israel. The Grand Duke also re-established the autonomous Church of Macedonia. Unfortunately, Julius was deposited by Nazi Germany and forced to take refuge in Hungary. He died in exile, in Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyula_Cseszneky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voivodship_of_Macedonia

Admittedly, I do not know all that much in depth about this above, though I do know that had it not been possible to create the state of Israel, then Macedonia was the next option as the home for the Jews and from what I can gather, this is all very much related to the above and the Principality of Pindus and Voivodship of Macedonia.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I saw it, nothing to do with an existing monarchy, I chose not to comment on that and the rest.

[Prolet]

SOM, Simbolo chini ili ne chini?? Ne mozi samo ubav da lici..

I dont see anything misleading here, its true that i cant exactly prove that the Monarchy still exists in Macedonia but just because there is not alot of information available doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We dont hear alot about the Freemasons it doesnt mean they dont exist you dont have any proof that the Macedonian Monarchy doesnt exist, or at least you havnt provided any so far, maybe you will in the future who knows..

You do know that alot of our monarchy with Macedonian Roots live outside of Macedonia, as stated in one of the sources i gave you. Hunzite who are the direct ancestors to Aleksandar the Great are a Monarchy, if you recall the Prince came to Macedonia last year. Many Macedonian Princes and Princesses married others from all around Europe, from what i can gather alot of the Macedonian Monarchy retreated into Austria-Hungary when the Ottoman Empire occupied Macedonia in the 14th Century, many married all over Europe especially Western Europe.

SOM, What can you tell me about the Macedonian Monarchy both past and Present. I know that history is your strong point, im sure you know something about this.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Rogi, from the wiki link about the voivodship:

In 1942 a faction of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (VMRO) offered the throne of Macedonia to Alchiviad, but there is no evidence as to whether he accepted it; however, his last successor, Julius I, was always styled as Voivode of Macedonia. Alchiviad eventually left the state in June of 1942, and took refuge in Romania because in the eyes of local Aromanians he was rather pro-Italian than pro-Aromanian, while the Italians considered him a Romanian agent. His successor for a very short time was Nicola Matushi from Samarina, who tried to find a modus vivendi with the Greek leaders, but without success. After the liberation of Greece in October 1944, Matushi also left for Bucharest.[5] From mid-1942 on, the armed Greek Resistance also made its presence felt, fighting against the Italians and their collaborators.

In late 1942, the Italian occupation authorities, which previously had supported mostly Aromanian and Albanian groups, changed their attitude towards the local Slavic population. According to a source from the old pre-communist Bulgarian National Security Service, this change was due to the decisive intervention of the leader of VMRO Ivan Mihailov through Ante Pavelić in Rome in early 1943[citation needed]. Then the vacant title was offered to the Cseszneky family, probably in recognition for their role in supplying the Italian Army with cereals. Gyula Cseszneky was a Hungarian-Croatian aristocrat[6] in Italian service, who only nominally reigned as Voivode Julius[7] between August-September in 1943, but never actually assumed power, although some local pro - Bulgarian autonomist leaders from Ohrana governed in his name[citation needed] . Whatever authority the Principality exercised, it practically ceased to exist after the Italian capitulation in September 1943, when the area was taken over by the Germans.

Next to none of it is corroborated with sources, there needs to be more than this.

[Prolet]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before or not, but have any of you come across or heard about the Macedonian Monarchist League?

http://royalmacedonia.webs.com/

Particularly this:

http://royalmacedonia.webs.com/grandduchyofmacedonia.htm

The Grand Duchy of Macedonia

In August, 1943 Baron Gyula Istvan Cseszneky de Milvany et Cseszneg was proclaimed Grand Duke (Grand Voivode) of Macedonia. Grand Duke Julius, whose family had held feudal lordships in medievel Macedonia and had strong ties with the antifascist Italian authorities, with the support of local Macedonian autonomists established a Macedonian statelet in Kostur and Grevena regions.


Baron Julius Cseszneky de Milvany, Grand Duke of Macedonia


Grand Duke Julius's aim was to create an independent and united Macedonia. The Grand Duke protected the local Jewish community against Nazi troops, after the war his merits were recognized in Israel. The Grand Duke also re-established the autonomous Church of Macedonia. Unfortunately, Julius was deposited by Nazi Germany and forced to take refuge in Hungary. He died in exile, in Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyula_Cseszneky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voivodship_of_Macedonia

Spolaj Ti Rogi

We've heard the story with Boge Koloski he is living proof that there is at least something left of our Macedonian Monarchy. We do need alot more information however.

http://royal-macedonia.com/

Уживајте во музиката.

[Prolet]

Here is something interesting i found, it seems like high Profile Macedonian Activist Professor Nestor Oginar is a member of the committee, could it be that he just might be part of the Macedonian Monarchy?

Управен одбор

* Гроф. Боге Петер Колоски-Претседател (Основач)
* Адв.Ставре Џиков-Потпретседател
* Политиколог Александар Џиков-Секретар
* Проф. д-рЉубомирв Кеќеновски–член
* Арх. Вангел Божиновски-член
* Проф д-р Виолета Ачкоска-член
* Проф д-р Весна Јаневска-член
* Етнолог Пано Серафимов -член
* Тихомир Стојановски (Факултет за драмски уметности)-член
* Проф. Нестор Огинар (САД)-член
* Политиколог М-р Ана Мукоска-член
*

http://royal-macedonia.com/clenovi/index.html

[Soldier of Macedon]

....you dont have any proof that the Macedonian Monarchy doesnt exist

Prolet, how can I disprove something that doesn't exist? You made the statement, if you can't prove it, don't imply it as fact.

You do know that alot of our monarchy with Macedonian Roots live outside of Macedonia, as stated in one of the sources i gave you. Hunzite who are the direct ancestors to Aleksandar the Great are a Monarchy, if you recall the Prince came to Macedonia last year.

Prolet, the possibility or likelihood of the Hunza and Kalash carrying the blood of Macedonian soldiers in their DNA does not equate them to being monarchs of Macedonia.

SOM, What can you tell me about the Macedonian Monarchy both past and Present.

I can tell you that Macedonian monarchies existed in Macedonia in the past, and that they don't exist in Macedonia today.

[Rogi]

Prolet,

Nestor Oginar and the others just formed (and I believe it is now) registered the "Royal Foundation in Macedonia".

It is the required body that needs to be registered in Grof Boge Peter Koloski's country of origin (Macedonia) in order for a Royal Conference hosting the Royal families of Europe to be held, where Macedonia would be declared a passive Monarchy.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Rogi, what does that mean, a passive monarchy? Can you tell me something that Prolet hasn't, who are these Macedonian monarchs?

[Rogi]

I think it would mean the country (Macedonia) would be recognised as having a Royal Family of its own with its own coat of arms etc and be part of the European Royal Families.

In terms of the state, it would not be a "Monarchy" in that the Royal Family would head the State and Government like the Brittish Monarchy and others, rather it would be more of an acknowledgement of Royalty, perhaps something like the German House of Hohenzollern.


This is what I found...
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Grof (Count) Boge Peter Koloski

Dvanaeset godini ja dokazhuval i na kraj ja dokazhal krvnata vrska so negovata pra-pra baba, pruskata princeza Anna i so toa i so glavnata loza na pruskite kralevi. Negoviot pra-pra dedo, Peter Kolaja, bil mnogu bogat chovek-trgovec so mrezha niz celito Balkan. Toj vo edna raspravija ubil nekoj turski beg, i moral mnogu brgu da rasprodade se' i da se preseli vo Epir kade shto semejstvoto zhiveelo 30 godini. No i tamu se sudril so Turcite, pa zaminal za Elbasan, Albanija. I tamu imal problemi pa se preselil vo Neapol - kade shto zhiveat i denes mnogu Makedonci-katolici doseleni od Epir, iako se pretstavuvaat kako Albanci. Vo Neapol, sinot na Peter, Nikola, se ozhenil za Anna kon krajot na 15. Vek. Taa poteknuvala od kralskata loza na Zibenburgen vo Dolna Saksonija. Vo semejstvoto Koloski, vo tekot na sedum (7) generacii se prenesuva imeto Nikola.

Boge Koloski sega poseduva Kralski Ukaz so vosochen kralski pechat, dodelen od Kralicata Erna na Niska Saksonija, vo koj stoi deka taa lichno zaedno so Kralskiot klub na baronite, so osobena chest i zadovolstvo -- so odluka na Kralskiot Sovet -- mu ja predavaat na NEGOVOTO VISOCHESTVO Boge Peter Koloski naslednata titula Grof

[Soldier of Macedon]

So he is a Macedonian that has a family connection to Saxon royalty.

[Rogi]

Yeah, as far as I know. I haven't really looked into this all that much though.