Forgeries in Modern Greek History

[Pelister]

This will probably be a difficult thread to fill, but I will begin it with something I found by accident.

This thread is about exposing deliberate attempts by the New Greek State to forge aspects of its history.

It is interesting because it is most often actual Greeks exposing the lies of the Greek State.

Remember, at that time Northern Greece was some place just north of Corinthia. Many Greeks are very critical of the new myth making beginning to take shape. They don't have the indoctrination many new Greeks have today, and so we can expect them to be a bit more critical of their own historians.

Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution, Volume 1, page 17-18

"The Greeks have forged many written charters. Mr Tricoupi published one as genuine in the second volume of his History of Greece which carries proofs of its forgery, even though the date is omitted in Tricoupi's copy. Mr Argyropoulos in his work on the Municipal Administration of Greece, (in Greek), p.25 gives a copy of the document, with the date, year of the Hegira 1036 -i.e., A.D. 1626. It purports to be a ratification by Sultan Ibrahim of priviledges granted by Suleiman the Magnificent to Naxos and other islands. Sultan Ibrahim ascended the throne in 1640. The document is full of historical and chronological blunders, and the part which is genuine is transcribed from a charter of a more modern date, or the blunders could not have been committed"

Modern Greeks making forgeries.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution, Volume 1, page 17-18

"The Greeks have forged many written charters. Mr Tricoupi published one as genuine in the second volume of his History of Greece which carries proofs of its forgery, even though the date is omitted in Tricoupi's copy. Mr Argyropoulos in his work on the Municipal Administration of Greece, (in Greek), p.25 gives a copy of the document, with the date, year of the Hegira 1036 -i.e., A.D. 1626. It purports to be a ratification by Sultan Ibrahim of priviledges granted by Suleiman the Magnificent to Naxos and other islands. Sultan Ibrahim ascended the throne in 1640. The document is full of historical and chronological blunders, and the part which is genuine is transcribed from a charter of a more modern date, or the blunders could not have been committed"

I would like to see this thread developed, as there has been so much revealed in the last year that I am sure we have some resources to populate the topic. So, any types of forgeries, destroying of evidence, falsifications, etc that be brought up, please do so.

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Constantine Simonides - Greek Forger
Constantine Simonides (1820-1867),palaeographer, dealer of icons, man with extensive learning, knowledge of manuscripts, miraculous calligraphy. He surpassed his contemporaries in literary ability. According to opinion of paleographers, he was the most versatile forger of the nineteenth century.

From 1843 until 1856 in all over Europe he offered for sale fraudulent manuscripts purporting to be of ancient origin. He created "a considerable sensation by producing quantities of Greek manuscripts professing to be of fabulous antiquity – such as a Homer in an almost prehistoric style of writing.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_Simonides

What do you think how many Greek forgers appeared after this Simonides?

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Ilias Petropoulos on Macedonian and Greek Issues

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93654

Quote,
This reminds me of the time I sent a letter to Melina Merkouri, then Greek Minister of Culture, to let her know that a certain group of archeologists were planning to remove Bogomil graves from the territory of Macedonia to prove that Slavs never set foot in this Greek territory. I saw this with my own eyes and even took photographs which I later sent to Athens and Paris.


by Greek archaeologist Yannis Hamilakis.
"Apart from recovering material proof of the Hellenicity of an area, archaeologists were also often called upon to cleanse and purify a recently conquered area from any linguistic and material traces of ‘barbarity’. For example, following the conquest of parts of Macedonia and Epirus during the Balkan Wars, the council of the Athens Archaeological Society formed a committee with the participation of archaeologists
from the State Archaeological Service, to ‘cleanse the country from the barbarous names’, to find out the ancient Greek names for the specific places and to Hellenize Turkish, Slavic, and Albanian names
in the cases where ancient Greek ones could not be found (Anon.1914: 73)."

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The entrance to Sveti Atanas Church - When Greece annexed Aegean Macedonia in 1913, they attempted to eradicate everything Macedonian. The Macedonian writing is still visible though



Macedonian Writings in Greece
The Erasing of the language is finally shown!!

[Bill77]

Kafkania pebble


The inscription has been dated to ca. the 17th century BC from the archaeological context. This would make it the earliest written testimony on the Greek mainland, and the earliest document in Linear B.
Several specialists of Mycenaean epigraphy, however, have expressed serious doubts about the authenticity of the inscription, and it is quite possible that it is a modern forgery.[1]

(Mycenaean is the most ancient attested form of the Greek language, spoken on the Greek mainland and on Crete in the 16th to 12th centuries BC, before the hypothesised Dorian invasion)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafkania_pebble

[Bill77]

Agamemnon mask - another forgery?

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2243

[Bill77]

More Lies

A skeleton thought by some to be that of King Philip II of Macedon, is not, in fact, that of the accomplished military leader and father of Alexander the Great, but rather one of Alexander's half brothers, Philip III Arrhidaeus, a far less prominent figure in the ancient world, according to a new study published in the April 21 edition of the journal Science.

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/macedon/

Ilias Petropoulos on Macedonian and Greek Issues

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93654

Quote:
This reminds me of the time I sent a letter to Melina Merkouri, then Greek Minister of Culture, to let her know that a certain group of archeologists were planning to remove Bogomil graves from the territory of Macedonia to prove that Slavs never set foot in this Greek territory. I saw this with my own eyes and even took photographs which I later sent to Athens and Paris.

[Bill77]

Its possible this might already have been posted somewhere on this Forum.


Nationalism and the National Myth by Dimitris Litoksou

He explains how Greek historians are at the front of the Greek myth and leading the charge, and how even the most reliable data is ommitted to ensure the myth goes unchallenged.

http://www.iea.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/EAZ/E...Z_2005_Eng.pdf

Quote:
Greek historians, up until the last two decades when individual exceptions started to emerge, have ignoring or counterfeiting sources and have produced works of a purely ideological character. Greek linguists put on “blinkers” to prevent them from meeting a different language abundant in language dialects, while Greek folklore experts cut off completely certain geographical regions in their research so that they don’t come across the customs, the dances and the songs of the “barbarians”.


And then this:
Quote: Willful or unreasonable interpretations of facts certainly have to be preferred before the conjuncture of circumstances, because they offer higher resistance to the ideological attacks of nationalism’s opponents. The pieces of this mythical mosaic come together in the time vortex of nationalistic intellectuals. They are great writers, inspirational story tellers and virtuosos.

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http://forum.kajgana.com/showthread.php?t=37822

(picture in link)

Greek Secret Service plan for Macedonians

A document from the Greek Secret Service, dating back to 1982, exemplifies the methodical steps Athens took to destroy Macedonian ethnic conscious as well as the “idiom” within its territory.


The plan had been drafted on February 16, 1982, by the Chief of the Greek Secret Service, Dimitris Kapelaris.

According to the plan, Athens had created a Secret Team nicknamed “Plot Against Macedonia” that was dispatched to Aegean Macedonia and infiltrated into all aspects of public life: (Tax office, Schools, Army, Church, etc). This is the period when a lot of Macedonians were followed, jailed, fired, beaten, for publicly stating they were Macedonians, not realizing they were being spied on at every level.

The Greek Secret Service also had plans for Florina (Lerin) residents who failed to “feel Greek”, and feared may succumb under local Macedonian influence. As a solution, the Secret Service proposed to give these people money, brainwashing literature, and creating a cultural organization named “ARISTOTELIS”. A brilliant plan, that ought to make them “Greek”! The magnitude, the sheer stupidity and lunacy of these people is remarkable.
Dimitris Kapelaris took a moment to congratulate the Secret Service for managing to ‘almost’ wipe out the Macedonian conscious and the ‘idiom’ in Kastoria (Kostur).
The Greek Secret Service despised the fact that Macedonians marry only Macedonians in Greece, and made plans how to mix marriages, so the Macedonians would loose their ethnicity.
Were they trying to create more of the Karamanlis type? Their plan backfired, to this day Macedonians in Greece marry Macedonians.

1982, the year of this letter, is also the year Athens implemented laws banning Macedonian refugees from returning to their properties - Not a coincidence.
Without further a due, below is the complete document drafted by the Geek Secret Service.


HELENIC REPUBLIC Top Secret
MINISTRY OF PUBLIC SECURITY
NATIONAL SECURITY SERVICE
Athens, 16th February, 1982

Number of protocol 6502/7-3042?

INTRODUCTION
a) The Skopians’ activities for the autonomy of Macedonia may be efficiently confronted mainly by wiping out the use of the idiom, in the regions near the borders. This opinion is based on the realizations that also other regions that in older times were center of “Macedonism”, like Kastoria, are no hit by the Skopian propaganda, because there the use of the idiom has been almost wiped out.

b) This element by itself would be enough to exclude any thoughts of repatriation of the P/R (political refugees) who now reside in Yugoslavia and who have been brought up with the “Macedonian idea”, the “Macedonian language and culture”, independently of their participation or not to the organizations SNOF, NOF and activities take for detaching Greek territories during the period 1946-1949

c) As for evidence it is imperative to:
1. The creation of a state institution that will depend from the Prefectures of the regions near the borders, lined with the suitable and specially trained to the “Plot against Macedonia” subject, personnel.
This institution will engage itself only with this subject, with the supervision of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and will collaborate closely, but in secret with the Security Authorities and all the Public Services (Tax office, Schools, Army, Church, etc)
2. In the public services and especially in the educational institutions the employees who will be in service have to be ignorant of the local idiom.
3. The establishment of special enlightenment seminaries, for all the public service employees and the clergy who are in service in the sensitive region of Macedonia.
4. The establishment of motivations for the obligatory residence of the public servants and other employees, in the quarters of their service (example: payment of the rent, extra pay, etc.)
5. Establishment of the Cultural Association, like “ARISTOTELIS” in Florina and economic help to them, for the realization of events and the publishing of books, newspapers, magazines, etc. And afterwards these will be sent to the Diaspora abroad who has origins from the regions of the senders. This will boost their national sentiment and they will be protected from the anti-Hellenic propaganda that is been practiced by S/M (Slavmacedonians) organizations.
6. Insertion of various obstacles (non-recognition of diplomas, postponement of military service, etc.) for the Greek students who wish to study in Skopje.
7. Marking in each village of persons who due to their kin bounds and their personality influence a large circle of co-villagers and with any means (even with money payments) get close to them and use them properly so they will behave as the fighters of the use of the idiom in their circle. To this direction a very positive and effective role can be that of the Younger of the political parties, by the judgement and coordination of the Government, when a between parties agreement will be reached.
8. Recruitment in the Armed Forces, in Police Bodies in the public services and Organisations of employees with origins from Florina region, by exception, and their obligatory location in other areas of the country.
9. The encouragement, by the leadership of the Army of meetings and marriages of Army officers, who are on duty, there and have origins abroad, with women that speak the idiom.
THE CHIEF DIMITRIS KAPELARIS

[Bill77]

This will probably be a difficult thread to fill, .

Pelister, Brother, do you want to edit this first line on your opening post?

There's still plenty more regarding Forgery, lies and brainwashing



TLWR, its good to team up again bro. Ahhhh the good old days.

[TrueMacedonian]

Nice stuff guys. Great incentive in topic. So here's my contribution.















This is how the modern "greeks" really do things. Making falsified maps for propaganda purposes.

[TrueMacedonian]

How about some more fellas. Come on don't stop the gravy train just yet. Here is something about fake Klepht ballads and how writers invented lies for the thieves known as Klephts. Especially for the "grossly exaggerated role" of Kolokotronis, the Albanian klepht and other Klephts;



Greece: The Modern Sequel by Giannēs Koliopoulos and Thanos Veremēs

[Bill77]

will do TM. I gave it a break so people can digest what has been posted already. I don't want anything missed.

Here is one more and later on, more to come. this is more on how they brain wash there kids. Mabe its something our friend JohnMKD might find interesting.

Greek Lies and Education

Here is an article by Alexander Zaharopoulos, he describes how the Greek schooling system systematically lies to its pupils.

GREECE A LAND OF HEROES - AND DISTORTIONS

The controversy over Macedonia owes much to the Greek mind
set, writes ALEXANDER ZAHAROPOULOS
("Sydney Morning Herald", Australia, Wednesday, March 23,
1994)

Although the Australian media have overwhelmingly supported
the embattled Macedonians, and although most Australians would
do so instinctively, it is unlikely that more than a handful
of people are able to fully comprehend the Greek position. It
is far from trivial to say that that is because they have not
experienced a Greek education.
In retrospect it is clear to me that my 12 years of Greek
schooling, mainly in the 70's, conspired to instil in me
precisely one attitude and almost unshakeable belief in the
purity and unity of the Greek people, language and culture (to
which three, I would add "orthodoxy" if my parents, who once
had to bribe a priest to allow my Anglican great-grandmother
to baptise my brother, had not thought the religion irrelevant
and in bad taste).
The attitude I am referring to was taught to us at school in
images. Each year, at the school parade to commemorate the
uprising against "the Turk", the story was wheeled out of the
Greek general who had killed so many infidels in a single day
that his sword had to be prised out of his locked hand. Our
textbooks exalted those Byzantine kings who had managed to
keep the Eastern riff-raff out of the empire. All epochs
contributed Great Cleansers to our list of heroes.
Belief in the continuity of Greece against all odds was
enabled also by a method of withholding information and
sealing off interpretative paths. We had, as children, neither
the capacity nor the inclination to explore disunities and
"impurities" in the history of the Greek people, language and
culture. The Pelloponesian War of antiquity was never more
than a family squabble. We could not have savoured the thought
that Sparta might have had more in common culturally with
Persia (with which it formed alliances) than with Athens. The
long history of the land in which we lived had been reduced
for us to the opposition of Greek and non-Greek.
One carried such views to maturity. Melina Mercouri (in 1981 I
worked as assistant to her senior adviser, Vassilis
Fotopoulos) used to tell me that the importance of the Elgin
marbles rests in the fact that they are the heart of a body of
Greek culture inherited from the ancient past. Until her
recent death she believed that modern Greece, as the sole
inheritor, had a duty to preserve the organic coherence of
that body. When the bishop of Florina (a town just south of
the Macedonian border) said that the very stones he stood on
testified to their Greekness, he was, sadly, echoing the
opening lines of a popular epic revered modern Greek poet
Giannis Ritsos.
It was not until I left Greece that I understood that our
education resulted only in intellectual arrogance and moral
poverty. I came to know of the strong African and Asiatic
influence that operated upon early Aegean culture. I
understand that Alexander spread eastward not Greek
civilisation but terror and misfortune. I learnt that Salonika
had a Jewish culture to rival Vienna's before local Greeks
collaborated in its extermination. I was ashamed to discover
that in the Greek provinces of Macedonian and Thrace live
communities who in this day and age are treated as outcasts
because Greek is not their first language. I was horrified to
realise that for decades they had resisted policies of forced
"hellenisation".
Away from the country I quickly learnt not to use the words
"gyfots" (gypsy), "vlachos" (Romanian) and "Arvanitis"
(Albanian) for the common swear-words that they are in today's
Greece. When the Greek Government used "Skoupa" ("broom" or
"broomsweap") as the code name for the massive drive to remove
destitute Albanians from Greece in 1993 I seriously considered
changing my surname.
Needless to say, it has not been my intention to suggest that
the stifling, chauvinistic education we received cannot be
overcome. Not that Greeks are presently incapable of
accommodating difference. When the grave of Karolos Kuhn, the
genius of the modern Greek theatre, was covered with anti-
Semitic slogans in 1992, the Athenian press was swift to
condemn the action. Yet even as Greeks are expunging old
racisms, in respect of the Macedonian issue there has been
precious little dissent from the official government line, and
none that I have heard of among Greek Australians.
One would like to believe that dissenters are keeping low out
of fear. The rest must realise that the conventional method of
perpetuating their identity as Greeks -- a method never of
their own choosing -- has no place in a modern, tolerant,
culturally diffuse world.

Note: Dr Alexander Zaharopoulos left Greece after completing
his secondary education, but returned frequently while
studying at University College, London. He settled in
Australia in 1992.
Source: http://b-info.com/places/Macedonia/r...3/94-03-28.mle

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TLWR, its good to team up again bro. Ahhhh the good old days.

Lets keep it going Bill....lol



1926 by which the names of the places all over Greece were changed
The above is the law decree 17/26 September 1926 by which the names of the places all over Greece were changed. Not exactly all Greece: Epirus, Thessaly and Peloponese the old slavic toponyms did not change by force and are still used but in Macedonia the law was enforced 100% and not a single macedonian toponym is used today. The name change by this law was enforced also for associations, NGOs, cooperatives, etc.