Mario Hristovski disputes the occurrences of "Bloody Christmas":
The Bloody Christmas of 1945 - a distortion of facts by Bulgarians
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While we’re on the topic of exaggerated statistics, there is another claim made by certain people from Bulgaria about events that followed the reprisals in 1945. Apparently, around 100,000 Macedonians with pro-Bulgar sympathies were imprisoned by communist authorities in Macedonia. In the Wikipedia pages that mention this topic, which are routinely manipulated by Bulgar chauvinists, the sources that are usually cited for this ‘mass persecution’ include Victor Roudometof (Collective Memory, National Identity, and Ethnic Conflict: Greece, Bulgaria, and the Macedonian Question. p.104) and John Phillips (Macedonia: Warlords and Rebels in the Balkans. p.40). Both, in turn, refer to Hugh Poulton (Who are the Macedonians. p.118) as a source, who wrote the following:
However, there were those who retained their pro-Bulgarian sympathies and suffered severe repression as a result. Bulgarian sources assert that thousands lost their lives due to this cause after 1944, and that more than 100,000 people were imprisoned under ‘the law for the protection of Macedonian national honour’ for opposing the new ethnogenesis.
Many of the Macedonians who advocated for a united and independent Macedonia were imprisoned after WWII. During their trials, it became the norm for communist authorities to brand them as having pro-Bulgar sympathies or being supporters of Vančo Mihailov, whilst some were even accused of supporting the return of King Peter to Serbia. It was the same old game. Depending on the adjudicator, a Macedonian with independent thought or even one who didn’t fully comply with whatever external ideology was being imposed on them at the time, would be labelled as a lackey for one side or the other. Yet, according to their own testimonies, these people possessed a Macedonian national identity and supported neither Mihailov nor Peter. Stojan Risteski (Sudeni za Makedonija. pp. 290, 302, 310, 320, etc.) cites several first-hand accounts as evidence of this sentiment.
The existence of such people (not to mention the dissidents who managed to escape and become activists in the diaspora) not only refutes the wholesale claims made by historians from Bulgaria with respect to the victims of communism in Macedonia, but helps explain, in part, the main reason so many people were persecuted. It was their opposition to certain policies that were being implemented by the CPY, and, by extension, their proxies within the CPM. Thus, in a broader context, the number of those persecuted simply because they may have espoused a Bulgar identity or exhibited genuine pro-Bulgar sympathies, aside from those who also collaborated with the fascist occupiers during the war, was peripheral. Persecution for the rejection of “Macedonization” – a (mischaracterised) process that was supported by most Macedonians, including many of those who were imprisoned, was even more marginal.
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I would contend the Croatians did this much later than the Macedonians and arguably in a far more unnatural way (e.g. their word for "helicopter"). Yet nobody says a word about how they sought to distance themselves from the Serbs linguistically. In contrast, the Macedonians finally had their chance to codify what already existed.
Pathetic that we as Macedonians have to even justify these actions. (Let me remind the Greeks reading this that they finalised their own language codification in 1977).
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostPost-WWII authorities in Macedonia were far from ideal, but efforts were made to teach Macedonians a standardised literary language based on the dialects they already spoke, give prevalence to an identity they already possessed, and celebrate the history of their land and ancestors. That wasn’t a process of “Macedonization”, which implies turning something non-Macedonian into Macedonian. Instead, it was a process that promoted the dominant culture in Macedonia over earlier vices, where the native inhabitants finally had an opportunity to chart their own course, on their own terms, at least to a degree. It wasn’t perfect, but at least Macedonian individualism had the backing of state institutions and was given some breathing space. Naturally, it flourished thereafter.
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Originally posted by Griffey View PostHere in Bulgaria this massacre is very well known and remembered, but they claim that the victims were killed because they identified as Bulgarians and were against the Macedonization started by the communist government, is there anything true to that or is it Bulgarian propaganda like usual? And what was the real reason for which these prople were killed, was it because they were anti-communists, or they had collaborated with the occupiers during the war, or because they wanted an independent Macedonia?
That there were reprisals against Macedonians who were fascist-collaborators, anti-communists or opposed to some of the policies of the CPY is beyond doubt. Given the understandable sentiment that existed following the occupation of Macedonia, people who harboured Bulgar sympathies may have also been targeted. The problem with the narrative coming out of Bulgaria is that your intellectually dishonest historians have a habit of simplifying these complex issues so they can treat most of the casualties as people who, to use your indoctrinated characterisation, “were killed because they identified as Bulgarians and were against the Macedonization started by the communist government”. The finer details don’t seem to matter to them.
Post-WWII authorities in Macedonia were far from ideal, but efforts were made to teach Macedonians a standardised literary language based on the dialects they already spoke, give prevalence to an identity they already possessed, and celebrate the history of their land and ancestors. That wasn’t a process of “Macedonization”, which implies turning something non-Macedonian into Macedonian. Instead, it was a process that promoted the dominant culture in Macedonia over earlier vices, where the native inhabitants finally had an opportunity to chart their own course, on their own terms, at least to a degree. It wasn’t perfect, but at least Macedonian individualism had the backing of state institutions and was given some breathing space. Naturally, it flourished thereafter.
You indicated that the event in question is well known and remembered in Bulgaria. Can you cite some contemporary evidence (records, accounts, testimonies, etc.) that refers to specific people being killed for rejecting this supposed “Macedonization” imposed by the new government?
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Here in Bulgaria this massacre is very well known and remembered, but they claim that the victims were killed because they identified as Bulgarians and were against the Macedonization started by the communist government, is there anything true to that or is it Bulgarian propaganda like usual? And what was the real reason for which these prople were killed, was it because they were anti-communists, or they had collaborated with the occupiers during the war, or because they wanted an independent Macedonia?
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80 years since this tragedy and it's still so unknown by our people
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View PostThis is probably the only relevant thread, so I'm moving it here. Searching for documents in English:
Bloody Christmas (1945)
From English Wikipedia
The link can also lead to the Macedonian and Bulgarian versions of Wikipedia. There's no Serbian one (hmmm).
Anti-Bulgarian trials in Vardar and Aegean Macedonia in 1944-1948
by unknown from a Bulgarian blog (in English)
http://genocide-in-macedonia.blogspo...1944-1948.html
The first one is from a Wikipedia article where sources used include several Bulgarians, a Serb, and a Greek.
For relevance, just use Google Translate on the Macedonian Wikipedia article.
The second is clearly a Bulgarian blog which only corroborates my original post, about how Bulgarians are twisting this event for their own propaganda purposes by presenting the killed people as Bulgarians instead of Macedonians.
If you're trying to make some kind of a point, now is the time to put it forward.
Otherwise, stop posting anti-Macedonian propaganda.
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This is probably the only relevant thread, so I'm moving it here. Searching for documents in English:
Bloody Christmas (1945)
From English Wikipedia
The link can also lead to the Macedonian and Bulgarian versions of Wikipedia. There's no Serbian one (hmmm).
Anti-Bulgarian trials in Vardar and Aegean Macedonia in 1944-1948
by unknown from a Bulgarian blog (in English)
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The Bloody Christmas of 1945 - a distortion of facts by Bulgarians
I recently came across this article in the Macedonian newspaper from Blagoevgrad,Bulgaria called "Narodna volja".
It is concentrating on one of Bulgaria's attempts to present the mass shooting of 1945 in Veles,Resen and Kumanovo not as shooting of anti-communists,collaborators etc.,but as shootings of "Bulgarians that refused to accept the newly formed Macedonian nationality by the communist authorities in Yugoslavia".They are presenting these people as martyrs of communism and trying to distort the real events in order to push their propaganda forward.
Don't know if this event has been debated elsewhere on this forum,but nonetheless here's a link to the article (including statement from the son of one of the killed in those shootings),it dates from 2009 but I think it deserves to be on this forum.
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