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HMS Macedonian was a 38-gun sailing frigate of the Lively Class in the Royal Navy, later captured by the United States during the War of 1812.
Macedonian was built at Woolwich Dockyards, England, in 1809, launched on 2 June 1810, and commissioned in the same month, with Captain Lord William FitzRoy in command. Among the original crew was the 13-year-old Samuel Leech, who later wrote a memoir of his experiences.
Macedonian first delivered a company of soldiers to Lisbon, Portugal, then remained in the area, guarding against the possibility of French naval attack. During this period, FitzRoy made personal profit by falsification of records of ships' stores, for which he was court-martialled in March 1811 and dismissed from the service (he was quietly reinstated in August, presumably due to his aristocratic rank).
FitzRoy's replacement, William Waldegrave, was an interim appointment whose command lasted for only a few weeks before he was himself replaced by John Carden. One of Carden's first actions was to hire a band, a move popular with the crew, but he did not get along with the first lieutenant David Hope.
In January 1812, Macedonian was ordered to secretly deliver some bills of exchange to Norfolk, Virginia, and to bring back an equivalent quantity of gold and silver specie, as part of a scheme to keep the Bank of England solvent. During the visit, Carden socialized with the notables of Norfolk, including then-Captain Stephen Decatur (whom he was soon to meet under much less friendly circumstances), but bungled the mission by inadvertently revealing what was planned, and had to return to Lisbon emptyhanded. Captain Carden dined frequently with Captain Stephen Decatur and his wife Susan and jokingly bet a beaver hat on the outcome of a battle of their ships. They had come to consider one another friends.
In September, Macedonian was ordered to accompany an East Indiaman as far as Madeira, then to cruise in search of prizes as long as his supplies permitted. The frigate left Madeira on 22 October, but only a few days later, on the morning of 25 October, encountered USS United States, commanded by none other than his erstwhile dinner host Decatur. The United States had just declared the War of 1812 on Britain, and both captains were eager to achieve personal glory in a fight.
Unfortunately for Macedonian, United States was one of the new 44-gun frigates, and her broadside was 864 pounds of metal, vs Macedonian's 528 pounds. She was also ably commanded by Stephen Decatur. USS United States hove round turning downwind and making HMS Macedonian chase her and received a serious pounding from United States 24 pounder cannon. Within a few minutes of closing, fire from the United States brought down all three of Macedonian's masts, and riddled the hull, but then pulled away temporarily, leaving Carden and Hope time to contemplate their lack of options. Finally, with the United States preparing to rake again, Carden struck his colors, making the Macedonian the second Royal Navy vessel of the war to do so.
Decatur was careful to preserve Macedonian, sending over a detail to help repair it, this taking a full 2 weeks, and he brought the captured ship into Newport, Rhode Island, on 4 December 1812, immediately causing a national sensation. USS Constitution had previously beaten HMS Guerriere, but it was too badly damaged to save; while Decatur's capture of a seaworthy warship was a sizeable and welcome addition to the then-tiny US Navy.
The US took Macedonian into the United States Navy immediately, retaining the name; see USS Macedonian for the further history of this ship.
The first USS Macedonian was a United States Navy 38-gun sailing frigate, originally the HMS Macedonian of the Royal Navy, captured by Stephen Decatur in the War of 1812.
This ship was 154 feet 6 inches long as built, to the draught of the HMS Lively. As measured in the US service, her length was 156 feet - reflecting the usual difference in measurement between British and American methods at the time, see the President for a similar discrepancy. The discrepancy in her tonnage, given as 1080 tons British measure and 1325 tons US measure is due to various differences in measuring tonnage.
Macedonian (sometimes spelled Macendonian) was built in Britain in September 1810, captured off the Canary Islands by 44-gun frigate USS United States, Commodore Stephen Decatur in command, 25 October 1812, arrived in Newport, Rhode Island, as a prize 4 December 1812, and taken into service by April 1813, Captain Jacob Jones in command.
Macedonian made one futile attempt with United States and sloop Hornet to break the British blockade by way of Hell Gate, New York, 24 May 1813. She then remained in the Thames River (Connecticut), until the end of the War of 1812.
On 20 May 1815 she departed for the Mediterranean to join Commodore Decatur's 10-ship squadron in the Algerian War, a renewal of naval action against the Barbary powers, to stop harassment of American shipping. On 17 June the frigate assisted in the capture of Algerian flagship, frigate Mashuda by frigates Constellation and Guerriere, the sloops-of-war Epervier and Ontario.
The signing of a treaty with Tunis and Tripoli 7 August, following that with Algeria in June, won maritime freedom in the Mediterranean. The next three years Macedonian patrolled there and off the East Coast.
From January 1819 to March 1821 the frigate operated off the Pacific coast of South America, giving aid and protection to the commercial ships in the area during the disorders following the Latin colonial revolts, before returning to Boston in June 1821. During this period she worked as a banking ship, doing business with privateers of every kind. Captain Downes often kept his midshipmen and other trusted aids busy counting specie. Many deposits were made, with many single deposits of over 100,000. The men complained bitterly about their treatment, writing of how they were forced to eat mealy grain while counting hundreds of thousands of dollars in specie. Many of the men felt that Captain Downes was doing this for the "good of the Captain" and wondered when they would be used for the purpose they joined the Navy for rather than for the Captains personal enrichment. The ship was so large that the men had a pet deer aboard. She next cruised in the West Indies helping to suppress piracy, into 1826.
On 11 June 1826 Macedonian departed Norfolk for service on the Pacific station, returning to Hampton Roads, 30 October 1828. She decommissioned in 1828 and was broken up at the Norfolk Navy Yard. The crew for this final voyage included William Henry Leonard Poe, brother of American writer Edgar Allan Poe.
YouTube - МАКЕДОНИЈА THE WAR SHIP - 1800's
HMS Macedonian was a 38-gun sailing frigate of the Lively Class in the Royal Navy, later captured by the United States during the War of 1812.
Macedonian was built at Woolwich Dockyards, England, in 1809, launched on 2 June 1810, and commissioned in the same month, with Captain Lord William FitzRoy in command. Among the original crew was the 13-year-old Samuel Leech, who later wrote a memoir of his experiences.
Macedonian first delivered a company of soldiers to Lisbon, Portugal, then remained in the area, guarding against the possibility of French naval attack. During this period, FitzRoy made personal profit by falsification of records of ships' stores, for which he was court-martialled in March 1811 and dismissed from the service (he was quietly reinstated in August, presumably due to his aristocratic rank).
FitzRoy's replacement, William Waldegrave, was an interim appointment whose command lasted for only a few weeks before he was himself replaced by John Carden. One of Carden's first actions was to hire a band, a move popular with the crew, but he did not get along with the first lieutenant David Hope.
In January 1812, Macedonian was ordered to secretly deliver some bills of exchange to Norfolk, Virginia, and to bring back an equivalent quantity of gold and silver specie, as part of a scheme to keep the Bank of England solvent. During the visit, Carden socialized with the notables of Norfolk, including then-Captain Stephen Decatur (whom he was soon to meet under much less friendly circumstances), but bungled the mission by inadvertently revealing what was planned, and had to return to Lisbon emptyhanded. Captain Carden dined frequently with Captain Stephen Decatur and his wife Susan and jokingly bet a beaver hat on the outcome of a battle of their ships. They had come to consider one another friends.
In September, Macedonian was ordered to accompany an East Indiaman as far as Madeira, then to cruise in search of prizes as long as his supplies permitted. The frigate left Madeira on 22 October, but only a few days later, on the morning of 25 October, encountered USS United States, commanded by none other than his erstwhile dinner host Decatur. The United States had just declared the War of 1812 on Britain, and both captains were eager to achieve personal glory in a fight.
Unfortunately for Macedonian, United States was one of the new 44-gun frigates, and her broadside was 864 pounds of metal, vs Macedonian's 528 pounds. She was also ably commanded by Stephen Decatur. USS United States hove round turning downwind and making HMS Macedonian chase her and received a serious pounding from United States 24 pounder cannon. Within a few minutes of closing, fire from the United States brought down all three of Macedonian's masts, and riddled the hull, but then pulled away temporarily, leaving Carden and Hope time to contemplate their lack of options. Finally, with the United States preparing to rake again, Carden struck his colors, making the Macedonian the second Royal Navy vessel of the war to do so.
Decatur was careful to preserve Macedonian, sending over a detail to help repair it, this taking a full 2 weeks, and he brought the captured ship into Newport, Rhode Island, on 4 December 1812, immediately causing a national sensation. USS Constitution had previously beaten HMS Guerriere, but it was too badly damaged to save; while Decatur's capture of a seaworthy warship was a sizeable and welcome addition to the then-tiny US Navy.
The US took Macedonian into the United States Navy immediately, retaining the name; see USS Macedonian for the further history of this ship.
The first USS Macedonian was a United States Navy 38-gun sailing frigate, originally the HMS Macedonian of the Royal Navy, captured by Stephen Decatur in the War of 1812.
This ship was 154 feet 6 inches long as built, to the draught of the HMS Lively. As measured in the US service, her length was 156 feet - reflecting the usual difference in measurement between British and American methods at the time, see the President for a similar discrepancy. The discrepancy in her tonnage, given as 1080 tons British measure and 1325 tons US measure is due to various differences in measuring tonnage.
Macedonian (sometimes spelled Macendonian) was built in Britain in September 1810, captured off the Canary Islands by 44-gun frigate USS United States, Commodore Stephen Decatur in command, 25 October 1812, arrived in Newport, Rhode Island, as a prize 4 December 1812, and taken into service by April 1813, Captain Jacob Jones in command.
Macedonian made one futile attempt with United States and sloop Hornet to break the British blockade by way of Hell Gate, New York, 24 May 1813. She then remained in the Thames River (Connecticut), until the end of the War of 1812.
On 20 May 1815 she departed for the Mediterranean to join Commodore Decatur's 10-ship squadron in the Algerian War, a renewal of naval action against the Barbary powers, to stop harassment of American shipping. On 17 June the frigate assisted in the capture of Algerian flagship, frigate Mashuda by frigates Constellation and Guerriere, the sloops-of-war Epervier and Ontario.
The signing of a treaty with Tunis and Tripoli 7 August, following that with Algeria in June, won maritime freedom in the Mediterranean. The next three years Macedonian patrolled there and off the East Coast.
From January 1819 to March 1821 the frigate operated off the Pacific coast of South America, giving aid and protection to the commercial ships in the area during the disorders following the Latin colonial revolts, before returning to Boston in June 1821. During this period she worked as a banking ship, doing business with privateers of every kind. Captain Downes often kept his midshipmen and other trusted aids busy counting specie. Many deposits were made, with many single deposits of over 100,000. The men complained bitterly about their treatment, writing of how they were forced to eat mealy grain while counting hundreds of thousands of dollars in specie. Many of the men felt that Captain Downes was doing this for the "good of the Captain" and wondered when they would be used for the purpose they joined the Navy for rather than for the Captains personal enrichment. The ship was so large that the men had a pet deer aboard. She next cruised in the West Indies helping to suppress piracy, into 1826.
On 11 June 1826 Macedonian departed Norfolk for service on the Pacific station, returning to Hampton Roads, 30 October 1828. She decommissioned in 1828 and was broken up at the Norfolk Navy Yard. The crew for this final voyage included William Henry Leonard Poe, brother of American writer Edgar Allan Poe.
YouTube - МАКЕДОНИЈА THE WAR SHIP - 1800's
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