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  • sf.
    Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 387

    Phoenix, it is difficult for us in Australia to fully understand the situation. From what I've gathered, the history of the MPO is complex and reflects the unique circumstances and experiences of Macedonians in North America. Having said that, we can only judge them on their current actions and attitudes, and while there are some positive aspects of MPO activity today, there are a lot of confusing elements and contradictory attitudes that still emanate from this organisation. Until they unify and act in one clear direction, we could not have any confidence in dealing with them.
    Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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    • Buktop
      Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 934

      From what I gather, there are actually multiple divisions within the MPO, some pro-Macedonian, others more in tune with a Bulgarian line. What we can determine is that there is no cohesion in their leadership, and we cannot damn them as a whole. I completely agree with what sf. has said.
      "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

      Never once say you walk upon your final way
      though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
      Our long awaited hour will draw near
      and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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      • indigen
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 1558

        Coffee House Concert Featuring Bulgaria's Kabile Bitov Ensemble

        Kabile Bitov Ensemble
        Fort Wayne, IN – Tuesday, August 24, 2010 at the Saint Nicholas Orthodox Church Hall, 3535 Crescent Avenue, Fort Wayne, IN. Tickets are $10 each, and can be purchased by calling 484.2277.

        Bitov is a style of Bulgarian music played on village instruments. For over 30 years the Kabile Bitov Ensemble has delighted audiences with their masterful renditions of Bulgarian folk songs.
        Macedonian Patriotic Organization preserves Macedonian history and culture by creating a sense of community here in the U.S. and Canada.

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        "MPO" promoting Bulgarian music is not a great surprise to me! Well, it may well be Macedonians music that it is re-badged as "Bulgarian", which is common practice for the oppressors of Macedonians and occupiers of Macedonian lands to present ALL things Macedonian as their own.

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        St Clement Ohridski - Orthodox Church
        19600 Ford Rd.
        Dearborn, MI 48128
        313-271-3110


        Diocese Information

        St. Clement Orthodox Church is a parish of the Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox Diocese of the U.S.A., Canada and Australia, with its headquarters in New York City.

        The Diocese includes 25 parishes and two monasteries. The parishes are diverse in background; some are comprised mostly of recent immigrants from Bulgaria, others mainly of second- and third-generation Americans of Macedonian heritage, and others of American converts to Orthodox Christianity. In each parish, the language of worship reflects the background of the majority of parishioners.

        The first parish was formed in 1907 in Madison, Illinois.The Diocese was organized by the Holy Synod of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in 1938.

        For more information and diocese directory please visit the Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox Diocese of the USA, Canada, and Australia website at http://www.bulgariandiocese.org/.
        This is where the 2010 "MPO" Convention attendees gathered for their religious service!

        A Brief History of St. Clement Church

        In the early years of the 20th century, immigrants from Macedonia and Bulgaria began coming to the United States and Canada in large numbers, looking for economic opportunity and safety from the continuing political unrest in their homeland. Most were drawn to the booming factory towns in the Midwest, and after about 1910, a large number were attracted to the Detroit area by the jobs available in the rapidly growing automobile industry. The first immigrants to the area worshipped at Russian or Greek Orthodox churches.

        In 1927, the Orthodox Mission of the Holy Synod of Bulgaria sent Protoprezviter Dr. Krustyu Tsenoff as a missionary to the growing Macedonian and Bulgarian communities in the U.S. and Canada , to organize parishes for the Bulgarian Orthodox Church. In 192 7 , he came to the Detroit area. The Macedonians feeling ethnically closer to the Bulgarians than to the Russians or Greeks, accepted Fr. Tsenoff as their spiritual guide and the Holy Synod of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church as their ecclesiastical authority.

        Our charter members, together with Fr. Tsenoff, founded the first Detroit-based Macedonian-Bulgarian parish under the name Holy Trinity. The first services were held at St. John Episcopal Church in Downtown Detroit. Later, in 1929, the newly organized parish built its first church, on 25th Street , near Michigan Avenue . The Divine Liturgy was celebrated every Sunday and every Feast Day.

        In 1930, the parish priest was Very Rev. Velik Karadjoff, who in 1932 organized the Ladies' Club. It appeared for a short time that the newly founded Church community was thriving. But during the Great Depression of the 1930s, the young church experienced great economic difficulties. Most of the parishioners were unemployed, and the parish was unable to meet the mortgage payment. The church was foreclosed upon and listed for sale, and the parish was dissolved.

        According to Michigan law, the church building now could be bought at a much lower price than the original cost. At this time, the Macedonian Political Organization (MPO) "Fatherland" purchased the church properties. On February 17, 1935 the parish was reorganized under the name St. Clement Ohridski Mecedono-Bulgarian Orthodox Church. Father George Nicoloff arrived from Bulgaria to lead the newly organized parish at the end of that year.

        In 1938, the parish was once again threatened with bankruptcy and foreclosure. This time, the parishioners rallied and pooled their resources. They organized weekly vecherinkas (dances) and summer picnics, and contributed quarters, fifty-cent pieces and dollars to prevent foreclosure. They were successful. When prosperity came during World War II, the mortgage was paid and the parishioners were able to relax. In 1947, they built a hall next to the church. A plaque of the list of contributors who helped pay for the hall hangs in the hallway of our present Church.

        By 1963, plans were being laid for the construction of a new church on Ford Road in Dearborn, where the church now stands. However, an unfortunate split in the parish led to the departure of Fr. Nicoloff and a number of church members. Over the years, many people have worked to heal the wounds caused by this split, and a great deal of progress has been made , including cooperation on jointly-sponsored dances and other events.

        The parishioners who remained with St. Clement built a large, beautiful, three-domed cathedral-like church with Sunday School classrooms and two halls. The ground breaking ceremonies took place on July 12, 1964, and the cornerstone - laying ceremonies were performed in June 1966 by Metropolitan Andrey, Bishop Parteney, a number of visiting clergy and many faithful parishioners. This marked a new beginning for St. Clement.

        On S eptember 14, 1968 Very Reverend Panayot Pamukov became the Parish Priest. H e led a long period of growth in membership and activity. He currently holds the title Pastor Emeritus in our Church and is still very active serving in most church services and activities.

        The church building was consecrated on July 4, 1976, and the mortgage was retired two years later. In 1978, our parish was honored to host His Holiness Patricarch Maxim as he visited the parishes of our Diocese in North America .

        Our current parish priest, Fr. Michael Arbanas, arrived in November 1999. He has focused a great deal of attention on the Sunday School and other programs that serve families with young children, and these programs have shown a great deal of growth in the past five years.

        In addition, our records show that since 1964 the following clergymen have served St. Clement:

        Bishop Parteney, 1964 and the first half of 1965
        Rev. Christo B. Christoff of Akron , Ohio , second half of 1965
        Rev. George Geroff, 1January 1, 1966 to September 1, 1968
        Very Rev Panayot Pamukov, Pastor Emeritus, September 14, 1968 to Present Time
        Very Rev. Walter Diachenko served for many years as an assistant priest
        Very Rev. Michael Arbanas, Parish Priest November 1, 1999 to Present Time

        http://www.stclementchurch.net/SelfB...rchHistory.htm
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        Holy Annunciation - Macedono-Bulgarian Orthodox Church
        721 N. Front Street
        Steelton, PA 17113
        717-939-7525

        St Nicholas - Macedono-Bulgarian Orthodox Church
        3535 Crescent Ave.
        Fort Wayne, IN 46805
        219-484-2277

        And it would seem that most of the rest of the listed churches, though they do not carry the "Macedono-Bulgarian" label, are in all probability built/financed in the main by Macedonians under Bulgar ideological sway.



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        Sunday, September 5, 2010
        10 am ---- St Paul Orthodox Church Divine Liturgy---700 Beech Daly

        10:30 am----St. Clement Orthodox Church Divine Liturgy---19600 Ford Road
        Buktop, looking at their convention schedule we can see that they have church services listed at their two "MPO" Bulgarian linked churches but where are their "pro-Macedonian" concessions to the so called "Macedonian" leaning members/leaders/factions???

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          What is a Macedono-Bulgarian?
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13674

            A Macedonian indoctrinated with Bulgar propaganda that promotes a false affinity to horse-riding Asian Khans form the 7th century.
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • indigen
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 1558

              Same old TATAROMAN "MPO" in 2010 (reiterates its "Bulagrian" roots yet again!)

              Friday Events
              VESELBA with Oros
              Back by popular demand the trio Veselba ("merriment in Bulgarian") returns to entertain us with oros and your favorite Macedonian songs.
              Only the MENTALLY CHALLENGED MORONS AND ZOMBIES will continue to harp on about how Alusheva and Co is/are not like the old guard...blah, blah, blah! The "MPO" is a Trojan horse (subversive ideological poison) for the Macedonian cause and should be politically isolated and left to whither!

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13674

                Alusheva's husband was a Bugaroman, and unfortunately she has done nothing to distance herself or the MPO from the disgraceful Bulgar stigma.
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • indigen
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 1558

                  An academic paper reads as follows:

                  50 The mailling list is owned by Tom (Tasho) Alusheff, a third-generation Macedono-Bulgarian living in the USA. It is aimed at and used by Internet users from the Macedonian diaspora of both Bulgarian and Macedonian national orientation.

                  51 By Macedono-Bulgarian, I mean the descendants of the Macedonian immigrants who came to the USA and Canada in the first half of the XX century, adhering to the Macedonian Patriotic Organization (MPO). See http://www.macedonian.org .



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                  Some more interesting material starting at following thread/s:
                  The issue of who these people are, whether Macedonians or Bulgarized Macedonians, seems to arise frequently, and there is never a definitive answer. From what I have read and seen, the MPO seem to have influence in the Americas, I have never even heard of them here in Australia but I have been informed that they were/are


                  The issue of who these people are, whether Macedonians or Bulgarized Macedonians, seems to arise frequently, and there is never a definitive answer. From what I have read and seen, the MPO seem to have influence in the Americas, I have never even heard of them here in Australia but I have been informed that they were/are

                  The issue of who these people are, whether Macedonians or Bulgarized Macedonians, seems to arise frequently, and there is never a definitive answer. From what I have read and seen, the MPO seem to have influence in the Americas, I have never even heard of them here in Australia but I have been informed that they were/are

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                  • indigen
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 1558

                    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                    Alusheva's husband was a Bugaroman, and unfortunately she has done nothing to distance herself or the MPO from the disgraceful Bulgar stigma.
                    She was ideologically in tune (to a very, very great extent) with her late Tataroman husband and to think that she is somehow different and "pro-Macedonian" is delusional, IMHO! All the signs for that ideological mirroring are visible and easily discernible and Alusheva is the other side of the same Bugaroman "MPO" coin that her and her late husband formed!

                    Secondly, to think that the rest of the HARDCORE BUGAROMAN "MPO" hierarchy (and a good section of its small membership) would allow one person to reverse generations of pro-Bulgar ideological allegiance is equally irrational, IMO!

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                    • Prolet
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 5241

                      Here is an interview with Mike Ilitch

                      I believe Voice of America (Macedonian) interviewed him at an MPO function.

                      YouTube - Michael Ilich for VOA Macedoanian
                      МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13674

                        Originally posted by indigen View Post
                        She was ideologically in tune (to a very, very great extent) with her late Tataroman husband and to think that she is somehow different and "pro-Macedonian" is delusional, IMHO! All the signs for that ideological mirroring are visible and easily discernible and Alusheva is the other side of the same Bugaroman "MPO" coin that her and her late husband formed!

                        Secondly, to think that the rest of the HARDCORE BUGAROMAN "MPO" hierarchy (and a good section of its small membership) would allow one person to reverse generations of pro-Bulgar ideological allegiance is equally irrational, IMO!
                        Wearing a 'keptar' with the old symbol in one photo means nothing, and she has done nothing (like all those before her) to make a clear and true distinction between the Macedonians and those idiots who still serve their masters in Sofia.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Makedonska_Kafana
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 2642

                          Cleveland Ohio

                          The 19th year of the Republic of Macedonia's independence was celebrated at Cleveland City Hall steps on September 8, 2010, by Macedonians from all over North East Ohio.

                          Valarie McCall, Chief of Government Affairs, represented Mayor Frank Jackson's office. Also in attendance were Father Vasil Manasiev, Parish Priest of St Clement of Ohrid Macedonian Orthodox Church, Avon, OH and Father Zoran Zdravev, Parish Priest of St Nikola Macedonian Orthodox Church of Green, OH, who said the blessing for the day.

                          Pavle Dolovski, also from St Clements, served as Master of Ceremonies, assisted by Pete Gorgievski of St Nikola Church, who raised the flag atop Cleveland City Hall. Members of both churches as well as Macedonian Patriotic Organization's "Club Vardar," stood together in unity to celebrate this very important Macedonian event.

                          Photo's courtesy of MPO "Vardar"





                          Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 09-13-2010, 09:08 AM.
                          http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                          Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                          • Makedonska_Kafana
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 2642

                            ANYONE here that really thinks the MPO is the exact same today needs to hold off on the domasna treva - they're changing VERY SLOW but they're at least trying which is better then nothing at all.

                            MOST of the member call themselves "Macedonians" NEVER Vulgars unless your name is .. G. Mladen F. Off

                            Unauthorized "Makedonska Tribuna" (Mladenoff)

                            The MPO, publisher of the Macedonian Tribune since 1927, has learned that an electronic publication identified as the "Makedonska Tribuna" is being distributed to individuals and organizations throughout the world.

                            The MPO Board of Directors disavows any statements made in this electronic publication and condemns the statements and sentiments expressed therein. Furthermore, the MPO Board of Directors states that there is no such entity as "MPO Luben Dimitroff" and that any individuals claiming to constitute such organization are not members of the MPO notwithstanding any claims to the contrary.

                            The Macedonian Tribune is a registered trademark owned by the MPO and applicable law forbids its misappropriation. The Macedonian Tribune is the oldest continuously published Macedonian newspaper in the world. To learn more about the genuine Macedonian Tribune please visit the information contained on this site.
                            Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 09-13-2010, 09:24 AM.
                            http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                            Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                            • Risto the Great
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15658

                              The MPO advocated for USA Macedonians to call themselves Macedono-Bulgarians in the most recent census. You keep telling us they are not really like that. It is kind of like having an axe-murderer for a friend. You know he can be nice but his history and actions speak for themselves.
                              Risto the Great
                              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                              • Soldier of Macedon
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 13674

                                Originally posted by Kafana
                                ANYONE here that really thinks the MPO is the exact same today needs to hold off on the domasna treva - they're changing VERY SLOW but they're at least trying which is better then nothing at all.
                                How long does it take to change? Every second they exist and claim to be Macedonians on the one hand and Macedono-Bulgars on the other is an insult. There is a clear dividing line, and the MPO have been sitting on the fence, leaning towards the Bulgars, since they have existed. It's pathetic. Such an organisation that could be a powerful tool for Macedonians, yet they are still playing games. Perhaps we should wait until the year 3000 AD.

                                What has Alusheva done to distance herself from the disgraceful Bulgar stigma?

                                Did you know her husband, that guy which all of you at maknews were pouring your hearts out for when he died? May he rest in peace, but he was still a hardcore Bugaroman. How can you still associate yourselves with such self-loathing Macedonians?
                                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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