Oh ... ok, take that one out.
Macedonian and Slavic Placenames in Greece and Albania
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Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
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The rump lot under the list at the top is there specifically for this kind of discussion to take place where we can eliminate any names that shouldn't be there.
I can't believe the Russian linguist is still on about the same garbage.
At the beginning of the thread, I clearly stipulated that:
Included here will be Slavic placenames, and placenames of a Slavic nature which have been 'mutated' or formed into a hybrid consisting of Greek and Albanian words also, for afterall, it demonstrates clear Slavic influence.
Khrisovitsa is a placename that clearly demonstrates Slavic influence. Greeks would not name it Khrisovitsa, they would rather Khrisou or Khrisos.
In respect to Souvlani's hometown we will take Donkey Island out of the equation. Feel free to continue with your suggestions Souvlanitsa.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Soldier, dont mind me , im just gonna filter out a bit more here
Argyrochori - argyro = silver chori - village
Elatorchori - elato = pine,fir chori - village
Anthochori - anthos = blossoms chori = village
Vrakhonisidha - vrakho = formed rock nisi = island
Dhiavoloremma - diavolo = devil remma = creek = devilscreek
Drepanon - drepano = sickle
Drosochorion - droso = wet, dew chori = village
Drosopigi - droso = wet, dew pigi = well
Galatista - Gala = milk
Grammeni Petra - grammeni = written petra = rock = writtenrock
Kalogeritsa - kalogeri = monks
Kastanitsa - kastana = chestnuts
Kremasto - kremasto = hung or suspended
A few Turkish ones on the list
Dherveni - derven = a narrow street in Turkish
Baryamitsi - Baryam = a common name, possibly meaning gift
Kucuk koi - kucuk = possibly means small(not certain) koi = village
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Originally posted by Svoliani View PostSoldier, dont mind me , im just gonna filter out a bit more here
Argyrochori - argyro = silver chori - village
Elatorchori - elato = pine,fir chori - village
Anthochori - anthos = blossoms chori = village
Vrakhonisidha - vrakho = formed rock nisi = island
Dhiavoloremma - diavolo = devil remma = creek = devilscreek
Drepanon - drepano = sickle
Drosochorion - droso = wet, dew chori = village
Drosopigi - droso = wet, dew pigi = well
Galatista - Gala = milk
Grammeni Petra - grammeni = written petra = rock = writtenrock
Kalogeritsa - kalogeri = monks
Kastanitsa - kastana = chestnuts
Kremasto - kremasto = hung or suspended
A few Turkish ones on the list
Dherveni - derven = a narrow street in Turkish
Baryamitsi - Baryam = a common name, possibly meaning gift
Kucuk koi - kucuk = possibly means small(not certain) koi = village
What does Galatasaray means in Turkish, hence Gala there too. But the ending sufix is ITSA/ИЦА
Kalogeritsa - Kaloger/Kaluger - monk (i suppose the ones that don't get married) + the sufix ITSA / ИЦАFor the glory of the Hellenes! Abandon orthodoxy and join your true religion! http://www.hellenicreligion.gr/... Zeus awaits you!
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Originally posted by Вардарец View PostGalatista - Gala = milk
What does Galatasaray means in Turkish, hence Gala there too. But the ending sufix is ITSA/ИЦА
Kalogeritsa - Kaloger/Kaluger - monk (i suppose the ones that don't get married) + the sufix ITSA / ИЦА
It s probably either Greek (gala=milk ,Galatas=milkman,milk producer) or Italian/Genoese (calata=stairway) ,as in some time it was inhabited by Italian merchants.
Saray is the palace.(turkish)
The sufix is -ISTA not -ITSA . (Galat-ista) ,and the village was inhabited by Greek speaking population only.
Kalogeritsa
Kalo(s)(=good)+ ger(os)(oldman) +itsa.
A suffix cannot prove the origin of a word ,but the root.Moreover when this suffix (itsa) passed in Greek and is used together (although not so often) with the other suffixes that mean "small" (eg -aki ,-idi(o) etc)
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Originally posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas View PostYou started it. Go back to page one.
My post in p.1 was:
"So i guess slavic toponyms in Southern Greece mean that Slavic migration really happened...Isn't?
Or was there an ancient Macedonian migration to Peloponnese ?"
So...exactly ...i asked for a conclusion an explanation,but didn't get any real answer.
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I know, I know. But you should have learned by now how things operate. If I asked the question I would get a real answer. But you are a Greek, you don't deserve a real answer because when you ask the questions your heart is not in the right place.
Let me then give you the answer to the question (in a form of a question):
"So I guess Slavic toponyms in Southern Greece mean that Slavic migration really happened... Isn't it?अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.
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Originally posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas View PostI know, I know. But you should have learned by now how things operate. If I asked the question I would get a real answer. But you are a Greek, you don't deserve a real answer because when you ask the questions your heart is not in the right place.
Let me then give you the answer to the question (in a form of a question):
What is the alternative explanation, if there was no Slavic migration yet those toponyms are indeed Slavic?
Of course my question also revealed my doubt-this is clear.
Yes they are slavic. They have common root with similar words of all slavic languages.
So..if i got it right-Do you believe that these toponyms pre-existed?
If yes...why they are nowhere mentioned before 7th-8th century AD,but only AFTER that??
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Because something was not mentioned before a certain point, it does not mean it did not exist before that point. My own village was not mentioned before the 13th century. Does this mean it did not exist? Or it just didn't appear in records? Or that it was known under a different name by the authors who kept records? These factors always need to be remembered by a good historian who keeps to the principles of historic methodology.
In the same way, no nation was born when it was first time mentioned in the written records.अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.
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Originally posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas View PostBecause something was not mentioned before a certain point, it does not mean it did not exist before that point. My own village was not mentioned before the 13th century. Does this mean it did not exist? Or it just didn't appear in records? Or that it was known under a different name by the authors who kept records? These factors always need to be remembered by a good historian who keeps to the principles of historic methodology.
In the same way, no nation was born when it was first time mentioned in the written records.
On the other hand we have mentions-HUNDREDS or EVEN THOUSANDS for all of Greece,on stone or sources of ancient toponyms of the region-and these toponyms DO NOT include the previous HUGE catalog.
Is there a logical explanation?
I would say yes-Simply they didn't existed.
Also the "slavic migrations" are dated exactly before these slavic toponyms start to be mentioned in the sources.
A coincidence again..or just the same reasonable simple explanation...?Last edited by toothpaste; 09-14-2008, 05:33 PM.
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