British document shows Greek plan to invade İstanbul

[Vangelovski]

We "welcome" anyone to try to realize it, what more i can say?

Your position on Thrace contradicts your position on Kurdistan (and yes, Armenia - a genocide you conveniently forgot when pointing out the case of Indigenous Australians). When SoM suggested that a tiny part of Istanbul/Constantinople be given to the Church, you began making up all sorts of reasons as to why that should not even be considered. But you have nothing other than brute force to rely on for Turkish claims to not just Istanbul/Constantinople, but to the whole of Eastern Thrace.

[Onur]

But you have nothing other than brute force to rely on for Turkish claims to not just Istanbul/Constantinople, but to the whole of Eastern Thrace.

If you wont believe anything i say or if you wont come up with something new instead of repeating yourself, then stop asking me a question with your prejudiced attitude.

So, quit blabbering like "you have nothing except brute force". The legitimacy is something earned and preserved, it`s not something you get with wishes and biased opinions without a base in real life. Anyway, i have no intention to discuss any sort of legitimacy with you because it seems that you don't know anything about this at all

[George S.]

If for argument side the turkish people allow the building of orthodox churches or even like an orthodox cathedral in instanbul/constantinople there would be so much pilgirimages & so much tourism for turkey that it would rival the pilgrimages to mecca.If you were to give away yor capital you would have nothing left Onur.I mean it in a token gesture only i don't know if you can accomodate all of the orthodox churches.If they allowed a macedonian orthodox church that would be really telling greece in their face.

[Onur]

What you mean with "allow"? building a church has never been forbidden here, George. Tough, new churches in Turkey are usually Jehovah witnesses or Pentacostals. I don't think there are any new orthodox churches cuz there are many of them here already.

Btw, There are already many important sites of christianity for pilgrimage in Turkey, like the real house of mother Mary on Efes/Ephesus mountain. There are always about 50-60 christian clerics there, praying for 24/7. The house itself has been excavated from ground according to a vision of a nun in 19th century, with her description.

[Vangelovski]

If you wont believe anything i say or if you wont come up with something new instead of repeating yourself, then stop asking me a question with your prejudiced attitude.

So, quit blabbering like "you have nothing except brute force". The legitimacy is something earned and preserved, it`s not something you get with wishes and biased opinions without a base in real life. Anyway, i have no intention to discuss any sort of legitimacy with you because it seems that you don't know anything about this at all

I'm working off YOUR criteria Onur and Turkey fails when YOUR criteria is applied in at least three regions, but Eastern Thrace was the topic of discussion. The only thing you were left with was basically, 'come and take it if you can', which is brute force.

The only reason I need to repeat myself is because you keept insisting that Turkey has a legitimate claim to Eastern Thrace, but again, it fails the legitimacy test that YOU set.

[makedonche]

Onur

I have no idea about your father but one thing i know is; For 100s of years, Vlachs (incl. Karakachans) was traveling between Salonika to Edirne, staying in one spot during summers and going to other side for winters to provide fresh grass for their flocks during 4 seasons.

This is an interesting statement, I can confirm from my forefathers and current living elderly relatives that this has been practised by the Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia as well, in fact the village I come from was developed as a result of severe seasonal change during one of the seasonal periods when our people had travelled east from Voden to greener pastures during summer/autumn to find fresh pastures for their flocks, an unusually early and cold winter arrived and the Macedonians were forced to set up camp and endure the winter where they had travelled to. After the winter had passed the Macedonians realised it wasn't as severe as expected and decided to settle there! btw - there were no Greeks to be found anywhere at that time!

[cultea]

makedonche,
which are these villages of your forefathers?

[makedonche]

makedonche,
which are these villages of your forefathers?

Cultea
My origins and those of my family are traced back to Dolno Kotori, prior to that Gorno Kotori, prior to that Voden. Those are the original names of the places that were established by my ancestors.

[cultea]

These villages are in Florina District, WEST of Edessa (Voden), not east. They were already recorded in Ottoman documents by 16th century.
Which is the area where no Greeks could be found?

[Dejan]

Which is the area where no Greeks could be found?

The majority of the land labelled as Macedonia

[makedonche]

These villages are in Florina District, WEST of Edessa (Voden), not east. They were already recorded in Ottoman documents by 16th century.
Which is the area where no Greeks could be found?

Cultea,
Dolno Kotori, Gorno Kotori, Voden are the three towns/villages where there were no Greeks, these places were established and occupied by Macedonians.

[julie]

Cultea,
Dolno Kotori, Gorno Kotori, Voden are the three towns/villages where there were no Greeks, these places were established and occupied by Macedonians.

Absolutely correct Makedonche, seeing it was our forefathers in our family that established kotori

[Vangelovski]

The majority of the land labelled as Macedonia

You see Dejan's answer cultea? That's the only answer you need to worry about.

[Risto the Great]

Absolutely correct Makedonche, seeing it was our forefathers in our family that established kotori

And the Milankovtsi that ruled it with a velvet fist ;-)

[julie]

RTG, seeing we are actually related, I would say it was a joint rule