The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

[Daskalot]

yeah yeah yeah...failed to answer.
again,
was there a massive migration from southern to northern Greece ever mentioned?(as the SLAVIC migrations)
this would explain the existence of Greek speaking population in Macedonia.
otherwise.....the existed there before..isnt ?

Slavic migration is a THEORY...
But Greek speaking does not equate into ethnically Greek now does it?
Those Greek speakers were most likely pocket left over from the East Roman Empire, these people called themselves ROMEOI(Romans).

[Petros Houhoulis]

So you are telling me that you have always reffered to yourselves as Ellines speaking Ellinika, and that Vlachs are really Latin speaking Greeks, do all Vlachs consider themselves to be this or are the ones in Greece saying this?

The vast majority of those who live in Greece do so, but that was the case in the Ottoman era as well. Half of the folks of the Ottoman city of Manastir were described as Hellenophile Vlachs, and they considered themselves to be Greeks. They even fled to Greece after 1913.

[Daskalot]

Well the criteria is set out in the Treaty of Bucharest and Treaty of Neuilly.

You say, the only criteria was that you were a part of the Greek Orthodox Church, that does not make you an ethnic Greek but rather just an religious one.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Slavic migration is a THEORY...
But Greek speaking does not equate into ethnically Greek now does it?
Those Greek speakers were most likely pocket left over from the East Roman Empire, these people called themselves ROMEOI(Romans).

...Which is endorsed by the majority of the scientific community, based upon the written accounts of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) authors.

But the transfer of the Thema of Macedonia from its' original location to Thrace after the Slavic invasions is NOT a theory, and needs to be explained...

[Areianos]

Religion is culture & those who wanted to be close to be Constantinople and upkeep their Romiosynoi culture stayed with Greece.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You say, the only criteria was that you were a part of the Greek Orthodox Church, that does not make you an ethnic Greek but rather just an religious one.

Back at that time, the folks divided themselves according to religion, not according to ethnicity. This is why chaos erupted after the last state that was classifyng its' citizens according to religion (the Ottoman empire) gave its' place to ethnic states.

The funny thing is that the locals had no national consciene up to that time. Do you believe it, or do you want me to quote Misirkov again (And Victor Roudometoff).

[Petros Houhoulis]

But Ellines was considered to be a term used for Pagans thus the Church was very much against that term.

So what? The church was not above the state.

[toothpaste]

Slavic migration is a THEORY...
2. But Greek speaking does not equate into ethnically Greek now does it?
1. Those Greek speakers were most likely pocket left over from the East Roman Empire, these people called themselves ROMEOI(Romans).

1.So...what were they before the call themselves "ROMEOI"...uhm ..Macedonians maybe who didnt mix with slavic speakers??

2.You must decide abt the use of language as a criterion of ethnicity.
Now u write "But Greek speaking does not equate into ethnically Greek now does it?"..
so does the same exist for macedonian language too??

[Daskalot]

So what? The church was not above the state.

In Greece even to this day, the Church=the State. Even more so in earlier days.

[Daskalot]

1.So...what were they before the call themselves "ROMEOI"...uhm ..Macedonians maybe who didnt mix with slavic speakers??

2.You must decide abt the use of language as a criterion of ethnicity.
Now u write "But Greek speaking does not equate into ethnically Greek now does it?"..
so does the same exist for macedonian language too??

1. that is wishful thinking on your part.

2. yes it does, if it exist for Greek.

[Areianos]

Greek church is powerful but it is definitely not above the state.

The Institution of Greek Archaeology has more power than the church and in some cases more powerful than the state.

[Risto the Great]

Fascination with antiquity.
I have an old joke they might be interested in.

[toothpaste]

1. that is wishful thinking on your part.

2. yes it does, if it exist for Greek.

1.And what is the "truth then ??

2.So..according to you..the macedonian speakers in Greece (most of them your beloved Grecomani") are Greeks.

[Areianos]

Absolutely. It's part of our past why shouldn't we take care of it?

[Daskalot]

Back at that time, the folks divided themselves according to religion, not according to ethnicity. This is why chaos erupted after the last state that was classifyng its' citizens according to religion (the Ottoman empire) gave its' place to ethnic states.

The funny thing is that the locals had no national consciene up to that time. Do you believe it, or do you want me to quote Misirkov again (And Victor Roudometoff).

Of course there were people only relating to their village/town/religion, so was the case in the young Hellenic kingdom as well.

The national awakening process was identical all over Europe.

This does not make the Macedonians less Macedonian nor does it make the Greeks less Greek.