The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

[Areianos]

It was definitely Ellhnes not Romioi.

This is not my arguement, Greeks were the only ones that revolted in Macedonia in 1821 then again in 1856.

..and almost accomplished it.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Now you are being naive, what did the term "Greek" mean in the 17th century?

The term Greek was used for the Hellenes by the Western people since the Romans adopted that name for us since time immemorable.

[Daskalot]

Sources?
Was there a massive "Greek migration" then ?

Friedman and Danforth for starters.

Yes there was a MASSIVE Greek migration in the 1920s, see this map:
CLICK HERE

[Areianos]

No denying 500,000 Eastern Greeks and others settled in Macedonia.
in 1925 the census in Macedonia read 1.3 million Greeks.

[Daskalot]

It was definitely Ellhnes not Romioi.

This is not my arguement, Greeks were the only ones that revolted in Macedonia in 1821 then again in 1856.

..and almost accomplished it.

But Ellines was considered to be a term used for Pagans thus the Church was very much against that term.

[Daskalot]

No denying 500,000 Eastern Greeks and others settled in Macedonia.
in 1925 the census in Macedonia read 1.3 million Greeks.

Good, a transplanted Greekness in Macedonia which had never been present until then.

[Areianos]

I understand your point, Greeks still called themseles Ellines and their language Ellinika.

Latin speaking Greeks, not Vlachs called themselves Graekoi.

[Daskalot]

Greeks in Macedonia before the arrival of refugees was 850,000.

According to who's statistics?

[Areianos]

Good, a transplanted Greekness in Macedonia which had never been present until then.

Oh dear.

Ok 1.3 million Greeks minus 500.000 Greeks = 850.000 Greeks

There were 850.000 Greeks in Macedonia BEFORE the arrival of Eastern Greeks.

[toothpaste]

Friedman and Danforth for starters.

Yes there was a MASSIVE Greek migration in the 1920s, see this map:
CLICK HERE

yeah yeah yeah...failed to answer.
again,
was there a massive migration from southern to northern Greece ever mentioned?(as the SLAVIC migrations)
this would explain the existence of Greek speaking population in Macedonia.
otherwise.....the existed there before..isnt ?

[Areianos]

According to who's statistics?

League of Nations in 1925.

[Daskalot]

I understand your point, Greeks still called themseles Ellines and their language Ellinika.

Latin speaking Greeks, not Vlachs called themselves Graekoi.

So you are telling me that you have always reffered to yourselves as Ellines speaking Ellinika, and that Vlachs are really Latin speaking Greeks, do all Vlachs consider themselves to be this or are the ones in Greece saying this?

[Daskalot]

Oh dear.

Ok 1.3 million Greeks minus 500.000 Greeks = 850.000 Greeks

There were 850.000 Greeks in Macedonia BEFORE the arrival of Eastern Greeks.

Do you know what criteria the Hellenic state set to be counted as a Greek? Which was the only criteria you needed to fulfill?

[Areianos]

Probably not always, probably had a village identifier I don't really know. My grand mother says she is a Makedonissa and doesn't know a word of your language.

[Areianos]

Do you know what criteria the Hellenic state set to be counted as a Greek? Which was the only criteria you needed to fulfill?

Well the criteria is set out in the Treaty of Bucharest and Treaty of Neuilly.