The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

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The grecophone population, which had come to South Albania in the XVII-XVIII century mainly as farmers in Albania for Albanian Beys, property managed to consolidate, evolve and become a national minority. During this process, part of this minority became not only the grecophone emigrants from Greece, but also Vlach individuals who lived or settled at different times in the area where the Albanian minority lives today as well as Albanian Orthodox who descended to Vurgu area Of Dropull from the surrounding highlands. These were hellenized as a result of historical circumstances such as the powerful influence of the Greek church, Greek-language education, contacts with Greece, the intensive political activity of the Greek government, as well as daily contacts and broad links with the Grecofone population as well as marriages.

Ottoman census on Northern Epirus

The last Ottoman census, conducted in 1908, counted 128,000 Orthodox Christians and 95,000 Muslims in the region. Of the Orthodox population, an estimated 30,000 to 47,000 spoke Greek exclusively [23% to 36%]. The rest of the Orthodox community spoke an Albanian patois at home, but was literate only in Greek, which was used in cultural, trading and economic activities

http://www.uni-koeln.de/jur-fak/ostrecht/minderheitenschutz/Vortraege/Albanien/Albanien_Stoppel.pdf

Page 10 and 11.
Total Greek Orthodox population of Northern Epirus: 13% to 22%.

[tchaiku]

Middle East and Egypt lost glory.

https://smerdaleos.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/warren-treadgold-a-history-of-byzantine-state-and-society.pdf

[tchaiku]

Is this real?

[Amphipolis]

Is this real?

Not exactly (only Frankish and Slavic)

Ξέρω πως είναι τίποτε όλ' αυτά και πως η γλώσσα που μιλώ δεν έχει αλφάβητο
Αφού και ο ήλιος και τα κύματα είναι μια γραφή συλλαβική που την αποκρυπτογραφείς μονάχα στους καιρούς της λύπης και της εξορίας
Κι η πατρίδα μια τοιχογραφία μ' επιστρώσεις διαδοχικές φράγκικες ή σλαβικές που αν τύχει και βαλθείς για να την αποκαταστήσεις πας αμέσως φυλακή και δίνεις λόγο
Σ' ένα πλήθος Εξουσίες ξένες μέσω της δικής σου πάντοτε
Όπως γίνεται για τις συμφορές
Όμως ας φανταστούμε σ' ένα παλαιών καιρών αλώνι που μπορεί να 'ναι και σε πολυκατοικία ότι παίζουνε παιδιά και ότι αυτός που χάνει
Πρέπει σύμφωνα με τους κανονισμούς να πει στους άλλους και να δώσει μιαν αλήθεια
Oπόταν βρίσκονται στο τέλος όλοι να κρατούν στο χέρι τους ένα μικρό Δώρο ασημένιο ποίημα.

[tchaiku]

Slavs retreated Pindos mountains, western Crete, Laconia* in 11th century according to this book:

https://books.google.com/books?id=mQYXAQAAIAAJ&q=slavs+pindos+mountains+s+retreat&dq=slavs+pindos+mountains+s+retreat&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL2eWAr6nTAhUBOhQKHby3CooQ6AEIJDAA

Mysteriously Vlachs appear in those zones times after.


* - Keep in your mind that Slavs according to Byzantine historians ruled Peloponnese for over 200 years, so it puts things on perspective. Also it is fair to mention that non Slavic population start appearing in those zones after ''Hellenization'' of those Slavs.

[tchaiku]

How many documents of this forum have been butchered by Photobucket.

[tchaiku]

When the island was occupied by the Greek navy, Greek soldiers were sent to the villages and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the children ran to see what these Greek soldiers, these Hellenes, looked like. "What are you looking at?" one of them asked. "At Hellenes," we replied. "Are you not Hellenes yourselves," he retorted. "No, we are Romans."

[tchaiku]

This Ottoman success paved the way for Gazi Hüseyin Pasha, the local commander, to conquer the eastern half of the island, except for the fortress of Siteia. The Venetians and the local population suffered some grievous losses: it is estimated that by 1648, almost 40% of the Cretan population had perished of disease or warfare, and in 1677, the island's pre-war population of ca. 260,000 had dropped to about 80,000.

[tchaiku]

''The last six centuries The Venetians thought Crete was underpopulated, even though it did not consistently grow enough to feed itself. They encouraged various nations to set up colonies. In 1363 they invited Armenians to settle" In 1416 they transported to Crete a large number of Turkish prisoners-of-war, who two years later were encouraged to send for their families and settle down in the island. (The Venetians may have settled more Turks in Crete than the Turks did.) In the later Venetian period we find a remarkable set of censuses. Governors' reports give apparently exact counts for the whole island or for its four provinces or nineteen districts (exclud-ing Sphakia). The earliest, that of Geronimo Zane in 1534, puts the population of Crete at 175,268, about one-third of what it is today.' The most complete census is that of Castrofilaca in 1583, which gives the number of huomini da !anion, 'men of action' (aged between 15 and 60), of boys, old men, and females, in the cities and in each of 1,073 casali. There are further lists of the number of men owing public services. Can we believe the lists and numbers? According to Bernardo's census of 1536, the village of Gavalokheri (Ap) - to take a typical example - comprised two casali with a total of 172 action-men. Of these, 59 were named Gavalla, including eleven Constantin Gavallas, eight called Janni, and seven called Manoli. It can have been no light matter to keep track of all these Gavallas; and they themselves may not have been over-meticulous about giving information, since being inscribed could have led to an uncom-fortable spell at the oar or digging ditches. To number the people of Crete can never have been a light task, because settlements are not neatly aggregated into villages and ...

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A Venetian chronicler (Stefano Magno) records that "30,000 Albanian inhabitants in the mountains" of Peloponnese rose against the despot Thomas in 1453. In 1455 the Signory authorized the settlement of more Albanians in its Messenian ...

[tchaiku]

A Venetian chronicler (Stefano Magno) records that "30,000 Albanian inhabitants in the mountains" of Peloponnese rose against the despot Thomas in 1453. In 1455 the Signory authorized the settlement of more Albanians in its Messenian colony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bua

[tchaiku]

Small Wallachia (Μικρή Βλαχία; Mikrí vlahía) in Aetolia, Acarnania, Dorida and Locrida.

[tchaiku]

How many Greek editors does Wiki have?

[tchaiku]

Northern Epirotes:
Ioannis Chalkeus - (Vlach: Joan Chalkeus)
Daniel of Moscopole - (Vlach: Daniil Moscopoleanu)
Theodore Kavalliotis - Teodor Kavalioti (Vlach)
Konstantinos Tzechanis - Constantinus Tzechani (Vlach)
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Dimitri Nanopoulos - From a Vlach family of Northern Epirus. (Physicist. He is one of the most regularly cited researchers in the world, cited more than 43,200 times over across a number of separate branches of science.)
Evangelis Zappas (1800–1865) - Vlach
Konstantinos Zappas (1814–1892) -Vlach
George Tenet, former Director of CIA - Albanian
Panagiotis Kone - Albanian
Petros Zappas - Vlach surname.
Nektarios Terpos - Vlach etc.
Plenty of others I can find.

[tchaiku]

STRABO-
The cities along the side that forms the Strait are, first, Messene, and then Tauromenium, Catana, and Syracuse; but those that were between Catana and Syracuse have disappeared—Naxus and Megara; and on this coast are the outlets of the Symaethus and all rivers that flow down from Aetna and have good harbors at their mouths; and here too is the promontory of Xiphonia. According to Ephorus these were the earliest Greek cities to be founded in Sicily, that is, in the tenth generation after the Trojan war; for before that time men were so afraid of the bands of Tyrrhenian pirates and the savagery of the barbarians in this region that they would not so much as sail thither for trafficking; but though Theocles, the Athenian, borne out of his course by the winds to Sicily, clearly perceived both the weakness of the peoples and the excellence of the soil, yet, when he went back, he could not persuade the Athenians, and hence took as partners a considerable number of Euboean Chalcidians and some Ionians and also some Dorians (most of whom were Megarians) and made the voyage; so the Chalcidians founded Naxus, whereas the Dorians founded Megara, which in earlier times had been called Hybla. The cities no longer exist, it is true, but the name of Hybla still endures, because of the excellence of the Hyblaean honey.