Greeks harbouring Terrorists

[Voltron]

We dont meddle in anyones affairs, if anything we dont want anybody meddling in ours.
Aside from the name dispute which is becoming more of a bilateral issue everyday there is nothing hostile coming from Greece.

Now, about who is a security risk. Ever see a TSA agent frisk a 4 yr old ? Or detain an everday next door neighbor Grandma ? Or how about for wearing the wrong shirt or making a wrong statement. It happens everyday in the biggest democracy in the world if you can call it that nowadays. So I would suggest you view this incident in a broader scheme of things and not concentrate on who this person would of caused a risk to.

[George S.]

just because people speak greek you consider them to be a risk.Ok if they are that stupid to let them have the state secrets etc.Then the security people must be a stupid lot.How can an ordinary person be a security risk,what could they possibly know that would impact on the state.??

[Lerinsko]

Voltron you must be a little delusional if you believe that the Athenian Government, along with it's church Patriarch have never meddled in the affairs of other Governments, directly or indirectly.

You quote garbage, and try to over generalise this specific situation. This is not an issue about a person being striped of their citizenship (Article 19), and then trying to enter the country. Don’t put it in the same bag!

Frankly it's disappointing that paranoid Athen's continues to play this easy national threat card, and ruin holidays for ethnic Macedonians like George Kiriakidis, that simply what to spend time holidaying with family.

I suspect with the new Samaras Government, and the re-establishment of the Macedonian-Thrace Ministry, many of these same tactics will be amplified, potentially deterring many innocent ethnic Macedonian travellers from visiting their ancestry roots in Aegean Macedonia.

[Risto the Great]

I agree Lerinsko.
Pull your head in Voltron. This is petty Greek stuff that should be embarrassing for fair minded Greeks.

Lerinsko, have you been to Pesocnica lately?

[Lerinsko]

Hey Risto i think the newly establised Macedonian-Thrace Ministry of paranoid spies & freedom of Association thought police may consider me a 'security threat' if I did that

[Risto the Great]

Now I'm annoyed. They keep letting me in but don't let defenceless old men in. Maybe I need to wait another 30 years before I become a threat to them.

[Lerinsko]

Perhaps the newly elected Samaras lead govt, along with its newly re-instated KGB Macedonian-Thrace Ministry can utilise the 'Security Threat' scenario in other ways to their monetary advantage.

They could organise a 'Trash & Treasure' or even 'Cash Converters' style outlets nearest all boarder crossings selling confiscated items such as cameras, books, DVD's, national ancient treasures & other items that may jeopardise national security.

Funds derrived from the sale of franchise agreements can possibility go towards salaries in the KGB Macedonian -Thrace Ministry!

[George S.]

the stupidity & senseless activity of these morons who desrve a wakeup call this is 2012.We are supposed to be civilised beings.I think the best thing that could happen is if they can be prosecuted in the courts like a class action good.If not inform the world at the same time of what type of morons are in the eu.If anyone knows of any contact emails i'd be only too happy to report such stupid & moronic behaviour.The fact that ordinary citizens are being harrased under the guise of risk to security proves that if in doubt allways pull the security stunt on people.But think about it does that kind of decision making with people's origins desrve recognition??NO it doesn't i think human watch hasto be informed to keep an eye & report to those them care to know.It is disgusting to hear from my agean friends who are being detained unnecessarily & unjustly with no real valid reason for apart from being macedonian born either in rom or agean side of macedonia.A hidden agenda becoming more apparent that they don't want them to visit their roots of their origins.

[Lerinsko]

The current loss leaders of Europe might as well have been lead by the Golden Dawn party. Samaras the creator of the Macedonian name problem is the biggest advocate against ethnic Macedonians. Its back to the dark ages, and the Island of Makronisos with this bloke. There is no room for any negotiation other than to expose him and his party to the courts of Europe. The Australian Govt, amongst recognising Macedonia under it's constitutional name, needs to stand up to these bullies and help protect the rights of it's naturalised citizens travelling overseas. It's frustrating to hear that many such complaints lodged with VCAT by AMHRC on behalf of ethnic Macedonians have resulted in little to nothing.

I say eventually every dog has it's day, and Europe's loss leader will eventually run out of excuses, and friends, and be forced to join the current century!

[Voltron]

Lerinsko, Gruevski wanted to play hardball. When Bakogiannis was willing to take 2 steps back he didnt want anything to do with it. Well, here is Samaras now with Golden Dawn in parliament so Gruesvki pretty much condemned the fate of both our countries to another 20 yrs of this fiasco. No outside organization is going to take sides nor is anybody going to pressure Greece to change its stance. People that think so are naive. When Turkey was in the economic blackhole in 2001 at its weakest point thats when it was the hardest to pursuade them to change their foreign policy. When countries are in a good position is when they are open to compromise. Well, thats no longer the case here in Greece and will be like this for the next decade at least.

[Lerinsko]

Voltron, the unfortunate reality here is when the EU admitted Greece in 1981, it was not because they were a shining democracy or powerful market economy, it was because EU countries believed that it would extend to so called stability, unity, and prosperity of post-1945 Europe. Also meant anchoring countries emerging from dictatorships or military rule to the EU.

History tells us that the Athenian bullies will never compromise, let alone ever recognise that they have a ethnic Macedonian minority.

So be it, we take our chances through the World Courts, and hope that the mass media, along with respective human rights organisations, and friendly nations, continue to report on the plight of all ethnic Macedonians.

The Republic of Macedonia along with the ethnic Macedonian race, has already compromised too much, where it should NOT have compromised at all!

Time to stand up proud, and find other avenues to tell the likes of Bakogiannis, Samaras & Michaloliakos to go and get f#cked!

[Louis]

I don’t mind a little exaggeration, but that’s total crap. Samaras is not the creator of the name dispute. Mitsotakis has later claimed that he could have reached a compromise (with a name like Macedonia of Skopje) in the early 90s, but I don’t think anyone in Greece would accept such a name. Any government proposing or backing such a deal would collapse the next day.
Also, the Socialists Party position was never far different than New Democracy’s.

[Lerinsko]

Samaras was the Minister for Foreign Affairs in the New Democracy government of PM Konstantinos Mitsotakis (1989–1992) he advocated a hard line on the "Macedonian Question". He was also removed from his post in 1992 over this issue. He founded his own party, "Political Spring" The defection of one Member of Parliament from New Democracy to Samaras' party caused the government's fall from power in 1993.
Forget any compromise-not going to happen!

[George S.]

Fact the greeks have drawn a line in the sand & they aren't going to budge.That means no compromise from the greeks they are all expecting compromise from macedonia.But there is a twist they have told macedonia unless you change your name forget joining nato or the eu.So in effect macedonia is held hostage.What first it was the flag now the name .So why negotiate the name.Greece says the name is an issue.When one studies up on the whole case it isn't a real issues as it's only a ploy for greece to force macedonia to change her name.Think about it greece allready has a province called macedonia.Macedonia is a country previously called fyrom.So a country macedonia should not be a problem with greece's province calling itself macedonia.This has allways been left out of the equation.Also greece says macedonia has irrendist claims on greek lands when one examines this in detail one sees that macedonia (ROM) does not have any irrendist claims on greek lands as it has been FUCKING WRITTEN OUT OF IT"S macedonian CONSTITUTION.SO stop the fucking bullshit.If there is any irrendist claims then Greece is the one HARBORING them .Greece hopes MAcedonia will be destabilsed ready for a takeover.All these greek politicians aren't worth 2 euros look at the mess they got greece in,look at mess they got themselves in.Think about it blind freddy can tell you greece has been bullshitting refusing to recognize it's neighbour by their correct name.Reality check they fully know of who or what macedonia is & they know that greeks are not macedonians & macedonians aren't greek.The whole thing stands around the resentment the greeks hold agains't being in servitude to the macedonians in ancient history.The greeks hated their macedonian masters big time.This is the real truth about what greece is really doing it want's macedonia destroyed/destabilised etc etc out of existence lets not kid ourselves.
That is the real reson they will not compromise or budge as they expect only macedonia to compromise.

[Lerinsko]

Macedonian protest in Australia - YouTube

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